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Jan 11 2007 11:50am
Quote (roky8 @ Thu, 11 Jan 2007, 19:36)
Quote (Cher @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 05:28pm)
death web can not be combined with 125 fcr setup?

lol


psn necro blows w/o dw whoever he will be dueling


well I know for a fact you have made a bone nec in the past few weeks(you bought my 9 skillers smile.gif ) and I challange you to a duel if you like? smile.gif I will not use DW.

The problem with DW is that it's actually not THAT good. Just look at what it does:
+2 nec
+2 pb (useless for your skeletons)
-50% enemy poison resist (-55/+5 if you add a facet)

Hoto:
+3 skills
+mana
+40 resist

you only loose 1 pb skill, gain 1 summoning skill and get 40 resist

wizzy:
no skills
huger mana
huger resist
1 socket

Also it's a bit painfull as sandstorm trek adds a huge poison resistance, meaning almost everyone has it stacked so the -55 from DW isn't effective (also lower resist) against gosu equiped duellers, this is not like cold resistance where stacked resistance can almost negate blizz damage. It's the same for them if they have 75 or 255 resist.


atleast on ladder wb is defintaly better since no1 uses 20/5s or 20/11 psn scs ~~
another story on nl
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Jan 11 2007 02:06pm
@SelesnyaMtG: I do realise that perfect or semi perfect gear is hard to come by but let's face it, if you look at the top duelists with their 9x4x lifers, they don't have too much trouble filling their inventory with 20/5's. The 20/5's aren't that hard to acquire atm on euladder imo?

So let's look at the average sorc build:

-70 resist in hell after anya quests
-50 (after torch)
-30 (after anni)
+5 (spirit)
+45 (hoto - es builds don't use echutas in most cases, as mana is more important to an es sorc as dmg)
+115 (sandstorm treks)

so you have 40 stacked before you count in:
small charms, rings, amulet and helm.

LR on lvl 20-25 should get about -6x%resist

I for a fact know, that my friend (tomhc on d2jsp) still had full resist poison after 63% LR curse on him
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Jan 11 2007 02:45pm
Quote (roky8 @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 03:06pm)
@SelesnyaMtG: I do realise that perfect or semi perfect gear is hard to come by but let's face it, if you look at the top duelists with their 9x4x lifers, they don't have too much trouble filling their inventory with 20/5's. The 20/5's aren't that hard to acquire atm on euladder imo?

So let's look at the average sorc build:

-70 resist in hell after anya quests
-50 (after torch)
-30 (after anni)
+5 (spirit)
+45 (hoto - es builds don't use echutas in most cases, as mana is more important to an es sorc as dmg)
+115 (sandstorm treks)

so you have 40 stacked before you count in:
small charms, rings, amulet and helm.

LR on lvl 20-25 should get about -6x%resist

I for a fact know, that my friend (tomhc on d2jsp) still had full resist poison after 63% LR curse on him


Dweb would only work well vs low res chars like zons.....Almost everybody has maxed all resists stacked....Dweb would not be worth it imo. I think spirit crystal would be a nice choice though. Huge fhr bonus, nice mana, and a bit of life.
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Jan 11 2007 07:21pm
I can tell you guys for a fact that everything you are saying about D Web is completely wrong when talking to anyone who plays on US West, ladder or non ladder. I would imagine the same goes for East aswell because they have the same style dupes boots in abundance also. Only the noobest of the noobs wear Treks lol. In fact, if someone did, I would unhostile them because I feel sorry for their broke ass. So you saying that "everyone" uses treks is kind of rediculous. Why would anyone use treks on any realm? What, you don't like having 30 frw / 20 fhr / str / resists? I don't get that at all. Treks are just total garbage, for any character.

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Just remember, if you go BM, they can too


Skellies are already BM dude, what do you mean "if" you go BM they will? Everyone you duel has every right in the world to go BM with you from the word go. So do what you have to, because they certainly will.


To max - 175% resists
D web -50%
2 facets -10%
lower res -63%

So on your realm, people often try to have 300% poison resists, this is what you guys are saying? Really? smile.gif
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Jan 11 2007 09:26pm
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I can tell you guys for a fact that everything you are saying about D Web is completely wrong when talking to anyone who plays on US West, ladder or non ladder. I would imagine the same goes for East aswell because they have the same style dupes boots in abundance also. Only the noobest of the noobs wear Treks lol. In fact, if someone did, I would unhostile them because I feel sorry for their broke ass. So you saying that "everyone" uses treks is kind of rediculous. Why would anyone use treks on any realm? What, you don't like having 30 frw / 20 fhr / str / resists? I don't get that at all. Treks are just total garbage, for any character.

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Just remember, if you go BM, they can too


Skellies are already BM dude, what do you mean "if" you go BM they will? Everyone you duel has every right in the world to go BM with you from the word go. So do what you have to, because they certainly will.


To max - 175% resists
D web -50%
2 facets -10%
lower res -63%

So on your realm, people often try to have 300% poison resists, this is what you guys are saying? Really? smile.gif


I try to have 300% of all resists is what I am saying. Btw, the people who like to play legit (and alot still do) will almost always be using treks. Treks, waterwalks or shadows are the only 3 legit boots really worth thinking about using.
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Jan 11 2007 09:49pm
So lets take an average character then on your realm. Say a BvC barb, since they usually have pretty decent resists:

Start with -100%
anni -80%
torch -60%
nat res -10%
Arreats +20%
Fcr ring +35%
Fcr ring +50%

* This of course assumes you even wear double FCR rings, and also assumes they both have 15% poison resist on them, not likely *

So, even if the barb wears Treks, he has 120% poison resists in hell with that set up, with double poison resist FCR rings. That means, D web alone takes him to even resists, and facets and lower resists takes him way below. Even if he chugs antidotes, he is less then maxed in hell with the D Web set up, WHILE using Treks.

Do the same thing for any character you want. You will see, that poison resists, even with Treks on, won't be high enough to negate it if the nec wears D Web. Plus add to that, Light, Cold, and Fire resists are 10 tiems more important. Nobody focuses on poison resists, because the other 3 are so much better. So most gear won't even have poison resists on it. Even the GG dupes often don't have poison resists.

300%? So what kind of character has 300% poison resists in hell? What a waste. Treks, even for legit players, is a very poor choice of boot. You can easily get a legit 30/10 pair with stats and good resists that rape treks any day. Resists are far too important to not wear rare boots.
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Jan 11 2007 09:54pm
Even on US west where we have wiz gloves, gg duped rings and boots, peoples poison resists still drop below maxed in hell with lower resist on them and including the -50% from d web. People "can" stack poison, it's not that hard. But since Poison necs are considered BM anyway, these are only pubby characters. And in pubbies, if someone wants to constantly go back to chest everytime you go hostile with them, let them. They also have to worry about the other characters in the game too ya know. Negating the trapper, negating the fireballer, putting on DR gear, stacking the cold sorc's. Come on.... Nobody worries about poison resist. That's the point, that's why poison necs do well in Pubby games. D web owns smile.gif
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Jan 12 2007 07:58am
Quote (Trae8 @ Fri, Jan 12 2007, 03:49am)
So lets take an average character then on your realm. Say a BvC barb, since they usually have pretty decent resists:

Start with -100%
anni -80%
torch -60%
nat res -10%
Arreats +20%
Fcr ring +35%
Fcr ring +50%

* This of course assumes you even wear double FCR rings, and also assumes they both have 15% poison resist on them, not likely *

So, even if the barb wears Treks, he has 120% poison resists in hell with that set up, with double poison resist FCR rings. That means, D web alone takes him to even resists, and facets and lower resists takes him way below. Even if he chugs antidotes, he is less then maxed in hell with the D Web set up, WHILE using Treks.

Do the same thing for any character you want. You will see, that poison resists, even with Treks on, won't be high enough to negate it if the nec wears D Web. Plus add to that, Light, Cold, and Fire resists are 10 tiems more important. Nobody focuses on poison resists, because the other 3 are so much better. So most gear won't even have poison resists on it. Even the GG dupes often don't have poison resists.

300%? So what kind of character has 300% poison resists in hell? What a waste. Treks, even for legit players, is a very poor choice of boot. You can easily get a legit 30/10 pair with stats and good resists that rape treks any day. Resists are far too important to not wear rare boots.



you forgot the +30 resist from anya quest meaning the barb is @ a lot more than 75 resist

as said this necromancer is on europe ladder and many players use sandstorm treks as we don't have godly 30/10/stats/150 total resist boots massive duped. Ofcourse I'd use some if I get my hands on them but such boots would cost about a couple of thousand FG on europe ladder.

People in pvp euladder mostly use Gores, Treks, WW's and caster boots. Rare boots are really rare to find so not many use them. I know for a fact many a player on europe still has 75% poison resist after they get LR on them. So on most DW wouldn't rock but I do know for a fact that it will add a substantial ammount of damage to everyone whos resist is lower than 75%

Also most of the real dueling is made on NM difficulty. Meaning extra resist. And you do still have to worry about your resist if you like to actually win against an ranged elemental charachter.
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Jan 12 2007 08:32am
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you forgot the +30 resist from anya quest meaning the barb is @ a lot more than 75 resist


That's only if you want to rejoin every single time you die. Nobody should ever count anya resists into their character. No matter how good you are, you will die in pubs, and lose anya resists.

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Also most of the real dueling is made on NM difficulty


That's for Good mannered dueling. Poison / Summon necs are super BM. Strickly a hell BM pubby character. Can't use them in clan duels, can't use them in mannered one on one in nightmare.
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Jan 12 2007 11:30am
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you forgot the +30 resist from anya quest meaning the barb is @ a lot more than 75 resist


That's only if you want to rejoin every single time you die. Nobody should ever count anya resists into their character. No matter how good you are, you will die in pubs, and lose anya resists.

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Also most of the real dueling is made on NM difficulty


That's for Good mannered dueling. Poison / Summon necs are super BM. Strickly a hell BM pubby character. Can't use them in clan duels, can't use them in mannered one on one in nightmare.


ok I can add DW to the list if you are happy, I'm just telling that on europe ladder everyone that does serious dueling has at least 70 poison resist stacked since we don't use the classic dupes you do that all give fire/cold/light and no poison
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