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Jul 24 2011 08:08am
Quote (Lightman @ Jul 24 2011 02:38pm)
absorb doesn't need full res, learn basics
it's soe, not eos. it offers integer dr and mdr which nullfiies all of the uber's spawnlings. dungo has %dr which is useless, vita that isn't boable, life rep that is lulzy in pvm. learn basics.
if u're that lame as to need bo to survive in ut, just have a cta in ur stash or inventory. big whoop, takes 1 second to bo and replace to lt wand. learn basics.
didn't bother to check how much +2 sks are in reality, but even +20 sks won't redeem for 400 direct dmg loss (which is further boosted by ed%). learn basics.

if u can't comprehend a simple method as worst case scenario, go back to the 2nd grade. don't try to get big in here, i've been here long before you and trolls like you will just come and go. it's the foundation of jsp.

oh and one more thing.

learn basics


Thank u for this comment - best thing i have read from u in the past topics. Says everything about u.

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didn't bother to check how much +2 sks are in reality, but even +20 sks won't redeem for 400 direct dmg loss (which is further boosted by ed%). learn basics.


THIS is also great.

LW: (the 0,9 is the factor for applied CBs, if applied its 0,9, if not its 1. Formula: (HP*CB)-Damage, Base damage before 20% DR is 2797,445
HP LW CB Damage LW
0 650000 582762,044 0,9 2237,956
1 582762,044 522247,8836 0,9

First hit: LW deals 650.000 - 582762,044 = 67237,956 Damage

Grief with no applying CB: (dont forget the 20% DR - base damage is 5872,635 with 400+damage
HP Grief1 CB Damage Grief
0 650000 645301,892 1 4698,108
1 645301,892 640603,784 1 4698,108

First hit: Grief deals 650.000 - 645301,892 = 4698,108 Damage

YY - u are Right - DAMAGE > CB...i forgot that...excuse me - but i´m only in 2nd grade - and not so long here @ jsp. Now i know - JSP is the TRUTH behind all secrets of mankind. It was just a fault of the european math gods who say 2>1 - now we know 1>2. Ty JSP (and special thanks to Lightman) for this demonstration of ur divinity.

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absorb doesn't need full res, learn basics

And again a perfect example of the impeccability of JSP (and special thanks to Lightman again). 15% Fire Absorb while having -58 Ress vs. Meph. Here again - we go for a new type of mathematics. Tell us what happens when a 100 FireDamage Hit hits u with ur 15% Fire Absorb and -58 Ress.
In Europe it works like this:

100 Fire Damage base
-58 Ress
-> 158 Damage dealt
Now 15% Fire Absorb start working
134,3 Damage dealt
23,7 Heal
Complete Fire Damage: 110,6 from base 100 Damage.

But u are a clever guy - u are here at jsp since ages...u switch to salvation - then u can feel the power of of ur Dwarf with 52 Base Ress.
100 fire Damage dealt
52 Ress
-> 48 Damage dealt
Now 15% Fire Absorb start working
40,8 Damage dealt
7,2 Heal
Complete Fire Damage: 33,6

But me - still living in the infidel OFF-JSP-Community (so called SHORT TERMERS) - we try to get 75 Ress (or more)! We prefer this to get only 25 Fire Damage (with the 100 Fire Damage from example).


The Truth behind Absorb! (yes ur right it works also without stacked ress - but its USELESS!!!)

If the player also has 95% fire resist:

- A monster deals 100 fire damage.
- 95 damage is removed. 5 damage remains.
- 2 damage (40%) is absorbed. 3 damage is dealt.
- 2 damage is healed.
1 damage is dealt!!! , or 1%, is all that remains.


Untill u don´t have stacked Ress - ur FU..ING Dwarf is nothing more then a 30% Fire Resist Ring (u can get the same on rare Ring with "Garnet" prefix). GOZU!!! Absorb only gives the player the possibility to reach 99% Resist!!! Without stacked Ress it offers u +30 elemental Ressist! A RAL Rune or Mara will do the same for u!

Basics Lightman, basics! Perhaps u should open again a topic where u SAY GOODBYE to MACROS1102. You already did this with some nice arguments like: "VENOM WORKS WITH SMITE"...

But again i have to excuse me for a FAIL - i wrote EOS instead of SOE. I´m sorry about this - but i´m an infidel - knowing nothing...

To FINISH this - again an example for Lightmans ENLIGHTMENT!

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mara's will give u nothing


And this from the guy who uses Dwarf without stacked Ress - but perhaps its again "Lightmans Maths" where 30 ALL Ress < 30% Fire Ressist!

This post was edited by macros_1102 on Jul 24 2011 08:14am
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Jul 24 2011 08:37am
ty for laughs macros :lol:
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Jul 24 2011 08:41am
Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 24 2011 04:37pm)
ty for laughs macros :lol:


INFIDEL :D
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Jul 24 2011 08:10pm
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ty for laughs macros :lol:


this.
cba going through this troll's wall of rage and failed 2nd grade math.

my thread's been posted several times. deal with it, lw sucks.
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Jul 24 2011 09:13pm
Wow
You like od yard get smarter with every post
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Jul 24 2011 09:35pm
Quote (nyczyingiee @ Jul 23 2011 01:06pm)
thats the thing, does +400dmg really show that much of a difference?


what part of it you dont get about the damage not showing on the screen?
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Jul 25 2011 01:21am
Quote (Lightman @ Jul 25 2011 04:10am)
deal with it, lw sucks.


No!

Quote (Lightman @ Jul 25 2011 04:10am)
failed 2nd grade math.


No! (Remember:
u are the guy who is pride to have VENOM on Smiter
u are the guy who uses Dwarf Star on an non-stacked Build, only to get the GOZU +30Ress (while cursing Mara30)
u are the guy who tells us "I switch to salvation - thats why i use Highlord to get max speed" - and in your calculation u calculate damage with Fanatism vs meph - no word about Salvation and the damage lost of 509% (fivehundredandnine percent!!!) - just to show us how great ur sucking Grief is.
u are the guy who tells us, that a perfect damage Grief (with 400 damage!) is cheaper then the worst possible LW with only 60% CB (thats the main argument of all the LW haters including you, ranorn and all the grief noobs)
u are the guy who tries to tell us (infidels), that DAMAGE > CB
u are the guy . . . . . .

Annoying...

The Truth is - the worst LW can reach perfGrief stats EASY - with the same speed. Not in each run (thats the problem with probabilities) - but through all runs played by all the players in the Bnet. (okay - i exclude d2jsp gods - they have their own maths)

Quote (Lightman @ Jul 25 2011 04:10am)
cba going through this troll's wall of rage

Its not a wall of rage - its only an amusement about disabilities of some rare jsp-gurus paying 80+ FG for a weapon that offers nothing for a smiter made for UT, while attaching blame over the Noobs (like me - then i´m here @ Olympus of D2 gods only for a few month - not like u since Ages) when we use a weapon that costs ~10 FG (i´m sorry that i use JSP-Prices, but its hard to explain ingame prices to an offgame community)

We should stop here - till the next topic appears where we can argue about this.
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Jul 25 2011 02:12am
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This is so awesome, I had to flip my table
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Jul 25 2011 03:02am
Quote (macros_1102 @ Jul 25 2011 10:21am)
No!



No! (Remember:
u are the guy who is pride to have VENOM on Smiter
u are the guy who uses Dwarf Star on an non-stacked Build, only to get the GOZU +30Ress (while cursing Mara30)
u are the guy who tells us "I switch to salvation - thats why i use Highlord to get max speed" - and in your calculation u calculate damage with Fanatism vs meph - no word about Salvation and the damage lost of 509% (fivehundredandnine percent!!!) - just to show us how great ur sucking Grief is.
u are the guy who tells us, that a perfect damage Grief (with 400 damage!) is cheaper then the worst possible LW with only 60% CB (thats the main argument of all the LW haters including you, ranorn and all the grief noobs)
u are the guy who tries to tell us (infidels), that DAMAGE > CB
u are the guy . . . . . .

Annoying...

The Truth is - the worst LW can reach perfGrief stats EASY - with the same speed. Not in each run (thats the problem with probabilities) - but through all runs played by all the players in the Bnet. (okay - i exclude d2jsp gods - they have their own maths)


Its not a wall of rage - its only an amusement about disabilities of some rare jsp-gurus paying 80+ FG for a weapon that offers nothing for a smiter made for UT, while attaching blame over the Noobs (like me - then i´m here @ Olympus of D2 gods only for a few month - not like u since Ages) when we use a weapon that costs ~10 FG (i´m sorry that i use JSP-Prices, but its hard to explain ingame prices to an offgame community)

We should stop here - till the next topic appears where we can argue about this.


it's not venom, it's open wounds - 1st fail. and if u can't appreciate stopping approx. 14k hp regeneration facing the ubers, that's a 2nd fail.
yes, the absorb is really helpful even with crappy res.
yes, i didn't calc anything without fanaticism because there's no need for salvation unless you're a beginner in d2 who's having his 1-10 first ut runs. even a -100 res smiter can get by meph with fanaticism. mara's 30@ doesn't mean anything, cold/psn/fire is null'd, none of them make a high enough dmg skill from any of the ubers to matter. only lightning does by meph, and hl's 35% >. also 1 more sk from mara means, again, nothing.

but let's play your game, salv with grief/hl setup still deals a ton more dmg than fanat/mara/lw because grief surpasses lw by 2xx average dmg. multiplied by ed% from items/hs etc is still a much bigger gap in dmg than a shitty lw that does literally no dmg, even multiplied by fana's 509% ed still doesn't own up to the dmg grief dishes out.
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Jul 25 2011 03:03am
and yes, grief > lw even in cost. 1 hr vs 5 hrs, are you really that mathematically handicapped?

and YES, damage>cb when you can already reach 75-85% CB (which is huge already, 15% more cb won't change a thing) on grief setup. after 5-8 cb strikes the hp total of the ubers is nearing 1/8th of what it was, making the other cb strikes to come near-negligible dmg wise. here you start relying on pure dmg to finish off the remaining hp points.

and with your AWESOME setup you end up smiting them for another full minute trying to get that 1/8th hp (which is approx 85k hp left, boosted by ~14k regeneration in case of no ow%) down.

your understanding of cb is also shit. learn to apply dr% to it because it is affected by it, and even by the number of players in game:

Last Wish smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% --> 'NewResult' -2061 --> HP remaining ) --> 34 strikes
Last Wish smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% --> 'NewResult' -1288 --> HP remaining) --> 55 strikes*2 = 110 strikes
Sequence [34] + Sequence [55x2] = 144 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 35.12 Seconds.

Grief smite sequence vs Mephisto (Total HP -10% [15/20] --> 'NewResult' -5291 --> HP remaining) --> 33 strikes
Grief smite sequence vs Diablo/Baal (Total HP -6.25% [15/20] --> 'NewResult' -3307 --> HP remaining)51 strikes*2 = 102 strikes
Sequence [33] + Sequence [51x2] = 135 Smites @ 6 FPA (4.1 Atk/s)= 32.92 Seconds

this was taken under the worst case scenario. if cb applied anywhere before, grief would be faster and faster as CB procc'd more at the beginning of each cb-set-lines. i literally went against grief in every possible calculation (75% cb setup proccing cb only at the 7 last strikes of each 10 set line, instead of the first 7 strikes) by making its cb percentile chug less hp from last hits and it still came out faster. it's also more likely that 75-85% cb procc'd all the time, putting lw in the worst light ever, but still i didn't choose to go there, and show how under any circumstance, grief > lw

so BIG QUIET and leave this subforum you sad little troll
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