1. The 2 secs not hitting are quiet annoying and are time while you taking dmg. Secound.. if thatīs not convincing you try stating max block with phoenix
2. If you tele in cs many monster will attack you .. no defense will this will lead you into less life when you arrive the first seal. Oo
3. Ias = Nn right, fire ress are needed, if you donīt go for hotspurs. Anyways the venoms lords ( right corner in cs) are really strong. The 350% dmg are making you doing 3,5 times your normal dmg.. so they will die faster..

Time = exp.

well.. this is a pvm guide... so for lvlers till lvl 99 as the finally goal
did you ever go over lvl 96?
you will get 200k exp then each run... +60k when you do Baalparty (4 highlvls get Lasthit as baal) i hope you know what this means
Each lvl the exp will go down ~ the half .. so 97 = 100k 98 = 50k
Diablo and Baal ( nialathak not mentoined ) are the only monsters which are giving exp on lvl 97 and 98..
e.g. you will get from dia 30k and from baal 50k, 40k from waves on lvl 98 so if you donīt get dia it will be a big loss.

The job of a Cser .. ( mostly paladins doeing this ) is to clean the cs within the time someone teles tron ( its parallel).
Thatīs the job of a Cs - Barb , too... To clean cs ( so only to kill the 3 bosses and open the seals) so the highlevels (97++) can kill diablo and come back to tron.. So they get the most exp possible.

If you read this carefully i hope you will understand how highlvling works and why this char is needed
As i said in first post : It wonīt own many monsters in tron or mfing or so... But its able to kill all and to do CS as fast as random paladins

ALso sry for serafins ... thats how i called it all the time.. while i wrote this i didnīt think about it sry


Ty mass for you answers
As he already said...
Any more questions just post , we ll try to answer them.

Have fun with it

And you also kill diablo?

Wow, impressive ^^

1. I clearly understood what you meant, I've just never noticed the 2 second-delay before. I'm 100% sure that I don't have to wait 2 seconds with my attack after I've triggered firestorm with torch. That would make torch pretty useless for many pvpers, such as smiters, bowas etc.
And ofc you shouldn't stat block with Phoenix, that wasn't my intention either.
2. I know that, but with 105fcr I think you should be able to tele from town to cs without getting hit. At least you shouldn't take more than a few hits, which wouldn't be any issue.
3. As far as I can see on the screen, you (or your m8?) are using hotspurs, so the fr from LayingOfHands isn't really necessary, is it? Anyway, the glove-change was just a thought since the ias isn't needed when using highlords.

Actually I've never passed lvl 96, but I do know how exping at high lvls work.

Well, if this char's work is to help other chars get exp from dia, then I understand the point. I thought it was made just to do cs-runs for itself, which imo would be pretty dumb

i can cs itself, too
killing dia takes a bit longer, but is still in time - W3 then
Y he is using hotspurs, i donīt - but the 350% dmg , which are more needed .. are still not replaced
but thanks for your interest


edit/ y with 105fc you are able.. but you still stay a bit @ seals till they are open and get hit and so on..
you can try it without shout and tell us.. but we made another experience.
And as mass said.. first the boni, then shout

This post was edited by QuQu on Nov 14 2006 10:30am

Yes, I know you can do cs-runs yourself. But that's not really necessary, is it? Unless you're just going for a highlvl-barb
Anyway, no need to argue about that, or the gloves. We've got different opinions, let's leave it like that.

I don't have any problems teleporting to chaos sanctuary/throne of destruction with my non-block sorc. And I'm pretty sure every sorc has lower def than a barb with even 1 point shout

u won't get hit on ur way to first seal,but u have to stand still and mb walk a bit to kill sealbosses,thats the time u will get hit and receive dmg.and here the dmg red% and block from storm will help u

the 1-2 seconds recover doest come from the torch,but it comes from phoenix itself.

and for resists,try to get full res with lower res(communly cursed in cs cuz alot of oblivion knights there)

loh and hotspurs = 95 fire res
storm = 60 cold res
storm and highlords = 60 light res
added to res from torch,anni,arreats and natural res(skill) and mb a bit on ur fcr ring aswell gives u +-67 res all

and u get
+-160 fire res(90 on screen)
+-125 cold res(75 on screen)
+-125 light res(75 on screen)
+-67 poison res(67 on screen)
nn stacked poison res

Not sure if you realise that your guide has been instigated from reading or friend reading my guide or bigsipo's guide, basically all you have done is only altered 2 or 3 items, the skills are the same, the stats are the same, so when you call my guide shit, you are also calling this one shit.

From what i can tell with your guide, you need to run around with another char???

You have to pot immensely as you do not get any life or mana back from corpses (pheonix compared to ss)

why do you use arachs (1skill and 20fcr), considering you lose 20str and 20 vita (which is another 80 life)
if you use 2x Hoto on switch you get full resis, fcr and 6skills to tele, which is faster and also uses less mana

if you guys had some real imagination, you would look at the calculations involved in the items used for certain guides instead of rubbishing them.

Your guide is an immitation of mine as well as Bigsipo's Zerker Guide.

Use some immagination like this:
Griefz with Doomz (turn this barb into a BvC) in which i have this covered
Griefz with ss (standard Bigsipo's BvB or BvA)

I have been working on another guide, this one is a vita berserk barb that with items changes does everything from standard PvM, Rush Chars to hell, Mf, Gf, Mf/Gf Hybrid and also PvM.
ONE BARB DOES IT ALL, and as for your guide, as good as it is, it is just an immitation.

I am not rubbishing your changes or your guide, but come on, be original and think up something else and stop critisicing other peoples work.

In this Quote what is the Real Difference between your build to mine, to view my guide, click on my link


This post was edited by izParagonzi on Nov 14 2006 10:54pm

NOTE: THIS IS A LADDER CHALLENGE, not a non ladder, this will sort out your 3/20/20'sHere is a nice challenge for you and your barb, DO BAAL AND MINIONS and see if you can do that in under 5minutes, which my barb can, that includes tele'ing there with no maphack, and killing minions, ohh shite, by the way, i will be nice and give you one major secret to doing this, do not use HOWL. Ohh, i have to be more generous too, here is another tip, use concentration skill on the second wave of monsters, as they are immune to magic, hence berserk is useless against them.

And Pray to the Gods that in the throne that there are no Casters, since you have to use Concentration skill to kill second wave, caster may respawn and cast iron maiden (OMFG this could be a problem). But since I use Pheonix, I do not worry about that because those minions are dealt with by my Redemption Aura.

I personally know for a fact that your barb with the items you use can not clear baal (including baal himself) in under 5minutes when casters in throne, as for your barb being the Cs Barbar, I personally doubt that, considering my build has 2-3k more damage and 3-4k more attack rating for killing Diablo, and on my switch i am able to tele there in pretty good time while using less mana.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Nov 15 2006 12:22am

If you're using howl, this shouldn't be a problem. Also a barb's got alot of life, so you can take quite a few hits without any risk to die.
The only monsters in cs that might be tough are the knights with Lord De Seis' fanaticism. Just treat these a little more carefully than the others and you'll do just fine.


I haven't played anything with phoenix myself, so I don't know. But I find it hard to believe that there is a difference between firestorm from torch and firestorm from phoenix.


The resists from stormshield aren't that useful. The knights' cold-spells don't do any high dmg, and with phoenix/highlord you'd get the same lightning resists as your build's stormshield/seraph's.
If you think you need the coldresist anyway, just replace a few max/ar/life sc's with life/resist sc's. Same goes if you somehow would need more of any other resistance ofc

@spix: i've been making this kind of barbs for over 2 years,i was first cs-barb ever,first with botd ofc(no grief back then)
i tested all possibiltys and these are realy the best options to make a cs-barb
replace max/ar/life sc's with life/res sc's = same as saying replace dmg with safety(we need dia fast in baalruns,not realy to any use dia spawn after 2 minits.

@izparagonzi: i have 21 3/xx/19-20 sc's
i can ez do cs in 1 minit
i use max 1 full rejuv and 4 mana pots(when bosses are manaburners)(thats not immensely)
i can ez do throne in 5 mins
lol use howl in throne,we all know that.ur talking to a pro baaler here,not some 9 yo kiddy ;-)
i know w2 monsters should be killed with concentrate
some secrets u are telling me
altough this barb was made for fast cs and not for fast throne,we do 8 ppl baalruns so others will tele and clean throne.
i set dia free for 97-98 char so they would gain some xp.

u say :
why do you use arachs (1skill and 20fcr), considering you lose 20str and 20 vita (which is another 80 life)
if you use 2x Hoto on switch you get full resis, fcr and 6skills to tele, which is faster and also uses less mana

how do u get faster?i realy wonder

with tg and 2 x hoto u get 80 fcr(63 frame)
with hoto/spirit/arach/fcr ring u get 105 fcr(wich owns 63 frame ez)
and u only loose no skills in tele cuz 2x hoto = 6
but hoto(3) spirit (2) arach (1) = also 6

try to cs in FULL games in 1 minit(GOOD LUCK!)

u clearly don't know what u are talking about.

u say :
Attributes:
Strength: NONE = Base 30
Dexterity: See Note* = Base 20
Energy: NONE = Base 10
Vitality: ALL = Base 25 (Barbarian gets 4life per 1pt Vitality giving him 25%-50% more than any other character), so the more Vitality the better.
Note*
If using Grief Berserker Axe, you will not need any added dexterity.
If you are using a Grief Phase Blade you will need enough dexterity (136) to wield.
Base=20, Arreats=20, Ravenfrostsx2=40, Anni=20?, Torch=20? – 120 dex you will have to add 16 to weild.
If your Anni, Torch and/or Ravens are less than 20, you will have to add more to get to 136 dexterity.

no wonder u need to pot alot when u don't have full block.

all u say is realy old news for me