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Quote (Brandino5 @ Mar 30 2011 09:04am)
With the amount you will be spending on gear you could just buy an infinity...


This sorc is using Infinity on merc.

She's playable without, but far better with.

The build is an alternative to a top-end lightning sorc for pvm.
I found it much safer, with fireball having high minimal damages + radius effects.
When you're surrounded, lightning can be weak ( 1 or 2 monsters hit at a time, 12frames per cast, minimal damages can be zero...).

And I dont know if you can complete Uber-Tristram with lightning (I never succeeded with Infinity/Griffon lightning sorc).

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Apr 24 2011 11:14am
Good guide, now to work on actually affording some of these items.
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Good guide, now to work on actually affording some of these items.


thanks, and good luck !
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a simple tal set is better than this shit.

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ultima1>

a simple tal set is better than this shit.


Actually you can make a good and cheap Tal version of this hybrid.

You'd lose some life, +4skills and a 30% cold boost, for a bit more %mf and cumfortable res.

The Enigma version gives ~ +42% cold damages, and +23% fire damages (still +9% against 75% fire res monster), hence my choice.
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Apr 29 2011 05:56pm
Not bad at all, for something different.
10/10 for it not being another lite sorc pvm guide.
Tals would work as a cheaper alternative, personally wouldn't invest in this gear since the tals setup would get the same job done, just a little slower.
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Apr 29 2011 05:59pm
Quote (Synonym @ Apr 29 2011 02:57pm)
ultima1>

a simple tal set is better than this shit.


I like the ideas and proven math of the OP, but I have been running a full tal blizzballer (can go FO/FB as well) for years without issues solo pvm or even full games with no issues at all..and I don't use skillers so I can MF. Just torch/anni/gheed and enough str for spirit is all.

I don't think a full tal set is necessarily "better" but I do agree that is WAY more affordable given the performance compared against loose uniques including MF if gemmed/runed/Faced right. Obviously you can get crazy high dmg from OP's gear setup but what do you expect given how pricey it is.

I am in the process of building another sorc for pure lite mf but I might just try this build in SP and make it or a variation of it instead..

Thanks for sharing this feanur.
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Quote (fcfighter @ Apr 30 2011 12:59am)
I like the ideas and proven math of the OP, but I have been running a full tal blizzballer (can go FO/FB as well) for years without issues solo pvm or even full games with no issues at all..and I don't use skillers so I can MF. Just torch/anni/gheed and enough str for spirit is all.

I don't think a full tal set is necessarily "better" but I do agree that is WAY more affordable given the performance compared against loose uniques including MF if gemmed/runed/Faced right. Obviously you can get crazy high dmg from OP's gear setup but what do you expect given how pricey it is.

I am in the process of building another sorc for pure lite mf but I might just try this build in SP and make it or a variation of it instead..

Thanks for sharing this feanur.


You're welcome.

If you do this sorc in Sp with editor, be warned that she won't be playable in the same way.

In SP, you will have a 11 frames delay after casting Frozen Orb that will prevent you from casting Fire Ball at the theorical speed your fcr would allow.
There's no such delay in the realms.

I know this hybrid is expensive, but she's more efficient in my eyes than a Light/Infinity sorc for general pvm.

About MF :

Full Tal set (+Gheed) provides 208%mf, this setup with Gheed provides 136%mf (at lvl96).
Anybody knows that, regarding Unique drops, the effective MF will be reduced to 113% and 88%.
When running Baal, odds to turn items into Unique Quality will be (13.8 to 17.7)% vs (12.1 to 15.6)%.
Considering the gain of time with higher damages, I believe this setup is better than a Tal build also for mf.

And if you use free sockets for Ists or 7mf sc instead of 20life, the gain will be even more higher !

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Quote (feanur @ Apr 30 2011 03:19am)
You're welcome.

If you do this sorc in Sp with editor, be warned that she won't be playable in the same way.

In SP, you will have a 11 frames delay after casting Frozen Orb that will prevent you from casting Fire Ball at the theorical speed your fcr would allow.
There's no such delay in the realms.

I know this hybrid is expensive, but she's more efficient in my eyes than a Light/Infinity sorc for general pvm.

About MF :

Full Tal set (+Gheed) provides 208%mf, this setup with Gheed provides 136%mf (at lvl96).
Anybody knows that, regarding Unique drops, the effective MF will be reduced to 113% and 88%.
When running Baal, odds to turn items into Unique Quality will be (13.8 to 17.7)% vs (12.1 to 15.6)%.
Considering the gain of time with higher damages, I believe this setup is better than a Tal build also for mf.

And if you use free sockets for Ists or 7mf sc instead of 20life, the gain will be even more higher !


more higher :rofl:

stop trolling, light infy is the best sorc type and prolly the best solo pvm'er in the game.
after that comes fb/orb etc etc, but never ever is anything better than tal set for a hybrid. for light only, tal set is still #2 / runner up to a specific set up of hoto/griff/coh/spirit build, and dmg-wise to infy wield/viper/griff/insight merc sorc.

mf doesn't need more than 200% max, which u easily get with tal set/wt's/gheed's/sockets and maybe some inv.

in p8 light infy rapes any hybrid. granted, it's kind of the same kill speed in p1-3, but still tal > this.

This post was edited by Synonym on Apr 29 2011 06:36pm
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