one likes to CE quicker with some fcr

your shard is what, a mass dupe? imho not worth it, for a higher CE we could even use a white in the main slot and aokl only for getting the army

splendour can be better than boneflame

which summoner really needs resis? you´ve got DV and a big bunch of blockers

+3 circ
+3 amu


faith crossbow naa
the off wepaon ed they get from fana is not that much compared to other things...

a good Ce, bspear or spirit and curses need some + skills, too


pride golem does also not make much of a difference there

Carin Shard is a unique exceptional wand.... look it up.


Fanaticism is what makes a necro worth playing.

Pride was sorta a joke. theres no need to have it unless you have nothing better to do with your golem.

boneflame for 3 all skills. we don't care about it's resistance

ever seen a splendor in a nice baseshield

beats boneflame


fana is not needed imho..

merc deals as much damage as your amry and the army is only there to block , merc creates a corpse
I CE dead People

and white > carin shard

you use your 2nd slot for summoning anyway

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Mar 19 2009 10:33am

He only put a bone offensive in there as an option. if you arent using that, you don't need white.

you are an idiot if you think Fanaticism is not needed at this point. The whole point to summoning a strong army is only 10% to act as your meat shield. Most of the reason is to have a strong offense. Without Fanaticism your offense (including your merc offense) suffers tremendously.

No one is arguing against fanticism on a summoner anymore. Now the argument is over which item with Fanaticism to choose.


You are looking at him from the boner position where as I am looking at it from a Summoner position because he's primarily a summoner.


My position stands as it is. If you are not using teleport, you should be maxing out your skeleton damage if you are a summoner.

I have seen splendor in a base necro head. Doesnt beat boneflame. Sry. Boneflame has frw and 3 skills... if you can find a shrunken head with 2 os and +3 skele + 3 mastery, by all means take it and build a splendor. but good luck finding that since its next to impossible to locate as no one picks up shrunken heads in normal since no one plays normal and normal acts 1-3 is the only place that can spawn.

Great Nub Guide xddd

And to all of those nubs that said this guide is a failure, my only comment is, It works just fine..
I have been walking through Norm, Nm and Hell with Faelwen and he's Insumnia without having any problems at all

first up: to summon your army you use a leoric for the highest level, now lovely because mastery/raise skele lvl counts when summoned, after that you can switch slots and the only thing that will change is the number of skelettons that are around...

and when your army is around, all you do is run around, curse or CE and for those things, a white is better because
you get up to +6 on CE
you can get +3 Raise Skeletton, 4 mastery and one curse on it.....

white makes most uniques look like a fool if oyu find the right wand to put it into

you know, I had summoners in ladder , playing in top 10 when the last ladder started and playing up there for several weeks, without fanatism and not really a need for it...


look at the lovely damage of your skelettons.... they don´t really deal as much as your merc does... if you rely on your skelettons to deal damage in hell, you have never played a summoner

it´s guys like you that think that the uniques are good, that porevent people from loooking for those items
I normally pick up every wand or necro shield that i find, same for sceptres, 2 hand staffs and other stuff...

without ignorance, many people would start looking for many more items that are in fact better

the + skills can be countered by splendor
and then you have at least 6 freee inventory slots

moree than enough

and if we are talking about maximising everything boneflame or spawn are both not high end

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Mar 19 2009 11:00am

Wow. Thats all I have to say to you. Your Skeletons Wield Immense damage with Fanaticism in Hell... Do the pet calculator...


There isn't a single unique item in that bunch that sells for anything really.

Your only costs are going to be faith crossbow and Infinity on your merc.

I said you could use AoKL but you have to be careful of bone prison casts on yourself...


New ladder reset is a different market. You use whatever you can. best thing about the summoner is he can run with a party naked and do well. He cannot solo hell well without Fanaticism. (by well I mean with any sort of feasible time frame).




You are like a Liberal or a communist to me. You combat everything I say just to combat it.


I pick up every necro head I find too but you can only find +3 RS in normal acts 1-3... So hang out there for a while. I do that when I'm starting a new character for a while but get bored quickly. Set up a bot for act 3 normal wands as thats the only place you can get 2 sockets + 3 rs +3 c/e...













I really don't know why I bother with you. Your philosophy is so ass backwards that you actually say Enigma is the worst Armor for a Hammerdin. Everyone go read his hammerdin guide. He writes this shit just to go against the norm. I write shit that goes against the norm but with reason and logic.... Theres a reason why your hammerdin guide is not sticky'd...

This post was edited by mephistophilis on Mar 19 2009 11:13am

sucks jk! lol looks good.

mephistofilis, start to read before you try to post

I actually said;:
aokl is in 2nd slot and only used to get your army
your fighting slot is sth different.

and if you once again come witht he "you get hit and bone prison", I`ll doubt your mental sanity even more.
how are you gonna get attacked f.e. at Nille`s temple or find the really ugly ranged fighters when leaving a1 town for the first area?

@ skelettons
1. do they concentrate on one target = no
2. how often per second do the y attack = not the 4 times your merc does
3. damage of the skeletton simple example: one skeletton deals (lvl 40 rs+lvl 42 mastery) 613 - 617 (ø615.5)


I actually said right after ladder reset and for several weeks



you can find those in hell as well
finding is not shopping.................


by gthe choice of your wordcs, I gues you`re from america

you don`t know what a communist is and you don´t know what a liberal is.

american use of those words is too different from what they actually mean.

This post was edited by Ancalagon on Mar 19 2009 11:21am

1) I agreed that after ladder starts your gear is going to suck and it really doesnt matter. This far into ladder, get yourself a faith or beast if you must.

2) AoKL is dangerous not when your summoning but if you dont realize you've swapped to it. That happens sometimes. And if you get hit and cast bone prison, you could be in trouble.

3) Im using the textbook definition of a communist and a liberal. It was an analogy. In a different setting, I will say something (as a known capitalist and libertarian) and people whom deem themselves "liberal or communist" will take an opposing side just to have something to combat. It's irrational. They, like you here, take a side of an argument with no merit and pretend like you are going to go somewhere with it.

4) Your skeletons do damage spread out to different targets... I agree... That makes them more effective than your mercenary who kills 1 thing at a time. They do enough damage to multiple targets to kill faster than your mercenary. If that wasnt the case, why would you build a summoner? Why not just a merconer?

5) you cannot find a +3 raise skeleton wand in hell. They don't drop because the ilvl for anything in hell is too high for this to drop just like OAK SAGE PELTS which can drop in acts 1-3 normal but no where else.

6) Keep your Carin Shard or AoKL if you are comfortable with it, on swap for summoning and put Faith as your primary. You'll have 40% FCR for curses and c/e.


Right now, this far into ladder, what would you use on a non-enigma Summoner?

This post was edited by mephistophilis on Mar 19 2009 11:31am