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Feb 2 2009 05:42pm
Quote (Ziecheik @ Tue, 3 Feb 2009, 00:38)
rofl not really, just every time I write strat talk about sins it comes out that way lol.


yaya i know^^

somewhat it sounds like decard cain's "stay a while and listen... to my assa wisdom" xD

nevertheless, i agree on your stated points, even with the 1 or 2mb, it changes kinda nothing


btw u would call dclaw decent for a trapsin to supply ow in comparison to dtalon?
i know its only 5fps, but u supply from both claws and you are more flexible on boots imo
€: and no kb and much easier chainlocking

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Quote (Mesmerise @ Mon, Feb 2 2009, 11:42pm)
yaya i know^^

somewhat it sounds like decard cain's "stay a while and listen... to my assa wisdom" xD

nevertheless, i agree on your stated points, even with the 1 or 2mb, it changes kinda nothing


btw u would call dclaw decent for a trapsin to supply ow in comparison to dtalon?
i know its only 5fps, but u supply from both claws and you are more flexible on boots imo
€: and no kb and much easier chainlocking


nah, I wouldn't count on dclaw hitting without a maxed mastery build. would rather use dtalon if I wanted an ow attack.
personally though I dont even do that, just fb on my trappers.
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build is good + what ziecheik said, strategies are really lacking and incomplete, thus just leave them away.


apart from that, a lot of the information seems to be copied from other players with partly even 100% the same.
where is the credit section?
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Feb 2 2009 08:09pm
best guide ive read imo
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fcr/str/lf/mana rings .... pls donate? biggrin.gif

10/10 for ur guidewriting abilites.

u know im the last person to rate this particular guide. biggrin.gif


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Feb 3 2009 02:43am
ok, well written, but I agree with these who said TienJe's guide is better.

thanks for the effort(?) though.

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Quote (Ziecheik @ Mon, Feb 2 2009, 11:32pm)
decent guide but it doesn't really state anything that tienje's doesn't already, and tienje's guide is much better laid out and easier to read imo.

bugbelt makes for nice hp maxblock builds, perhaps you might want to list non bugbelt setups for w/s trappers?

most of the info in the guide is good, I agree with a lot of your choices however:
putting points in more block% on c/c builds is a waste imo, fb for rest of points or max mb before synergies works better imo.
for w/s ls/fb build I prefer to max ls synergies before fb? why? cause fb does not lose too much damage since traps synergize it as well and its nice to have slightly higher ls damage while you are on top of someone with fb holding them in traps.
also the 2 point mindblast thing, does it really help you out? I was one of the people alongside a bunch of other east trappers who first suggested it back in 1.10 but really after playing so many 1 base mb, 2 base mb, 20 base mb builds I can say I dont really see any difference in shadow mb frequency til you start approaching 20 base points in it. The relation appears to be somewhat of a curved graph where 1-2 points does not change much but going from 19 to 20 points is a difference, the closer you get to maxed mb the more it greater the difference is for shadow master. Im always skeptical on if the assassins using 2 points base mb on realm builds actually get a boost from that extra point or if it's just a placebo effect telling them their shadow is mbing more.


shadowmaster:

yes the SM frequenzy is growing not linear, its growing exponentially, you are right!

the 60 % claw block build is not what i am playing, i only listed it because it is on kind of a build that is still worth mentioning due to many players using it!

tbh i couldnt really tell you how to build a w/s trapper without bb, prolly only dungo instead of the bb and a ring with 10fcr 15str 15dex to replace the missing str from the bb, and a jah or a 9dex / 15@ jool or w/e on your realm nice dupe jools are into the diadem
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Quote (mortiz @ Tue, Feb 3 2009, 12:42am)
build is good + what ziecheik said, strategies are really lacking and incomplete, thus just leave them away.


apart from that, a lot of the information seems to be copied from other players with partly even 100% the same.
where is the credit section?


thats one part i forgot to add.

this is v 1.00 from my guide, i want some more feedback to be able to add / delete things.



about the strat. part: i will keep in touch with chris that he will be able to help me figuring out whats missing / how i could write it better, a detailed version of the duelling strat. section will follow for sure!


e: // i hope i will have the possibility to record duels vs each and every character to show off what i have written / will write in v 1.01 too!

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wellllllll

while recording seems to be nice ... it heavily depends on your opponent.
e.g. against one bone necro you play totally different than against another one and it really depends on how he plays so i dont know if recording duels really helps a "basic" strategy section
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Quote (mortiz @ Tue, Feb 3 2009, 08:46am)
wellllllll

while recording seems to be nice ... it heavily depends on your opponent.
e.g. against one bone necro you play totally different than against another one and it really depends on how he plays so i dont know if recording duels really helps a "basic" strategy section

its quite the endeavor... i don't know if i'd do another set of videos after the ghost ones

for the sake of completeness (and since this is partly a tpk guide), you could put in a section about countering WSG, since that is a trapper's biggest issue across the board
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