longer swirly duration (needed for trap stun) and for damage.
A ww sin with confident mb can klll weak hammerdins with it alone, and against godly hammerdins it serves the same purpose as foh to a smiter, it lures them close, or they die... a namelocked 70 fcr max mindblast is almost as damaging as open wounds.

Well, getting back to my original point, and a few other people's aswell. All you have done with this build is make a totally dominant PVP character weaker and harder to use, that's it. Everyone by now knows that WW sins are just about the best PVP character there is save for the very best bone necro's. But basically ww sins are number 1 or 2 in the PVP pubby world. For anyone who doesn't think that by now, all I have to say is you have never made or played against a good one. I'll admit that your build adds a different element to the character, and would probably be fun to play. I admit that, but I think it's time you admit that your WW sin would lose more duels overall then the basic u-god WW sin.

One more thing, you say that most other WW sins get name locked with bone spirits when running instead of teleporting? What the hell do you think the shadow master is for??? Obviously when someone with an apparently good grasp of WW sins doesn't know about the most basic minion stacking in the game, the rest of the build will be under question. And would you quit mentioning mind blasting NUB characters to death. I totally agree that you can beat any Nub in the game, but couldn't any build? I think if I wanted to, I could make a throw necro or something and own nubs. When making PVP builds, you can only compare to other elite characters, and I personally feel that you take WW sins and open them up to losing to builds that other WW sins just would never lose too, not to mention that you don't have any extra advantage on the only 2 characters that are even a challenge for a WW sin. WW barbs, and bone necro's. Your build would be FAR worse vs ww barbs, and I'd say equal at best vs bone necro's, but probably worse cause your damage is so poor. So, you gain nothing, and lose lots... do the math

Points for creativity, but I'm sure you'll lose duels you should not be losing...

This post was edited by wu-banger on Aug 28 2004 04:33pm

to any1 who doubts this build... i had a build very close way bacc and it did great.... u very rarely lose gm.

If there's any good in Kodachi's guide, it's the emphasis on the longer swirlie time and 65% fcr tactics more than equipment (.08 Valk ? highly unrealistic). Those 2 things were staples for the .09 sins and the sooner you master putting opponents into stun-recovery animation, the easier your life is going to be against max fcr casters.

DF is way too buggy to rely upon exclusively. First, DF is interruptible. Second, desynch causes way too much wiffing against high fcr casters. Third, Bone Prison/IM is a scary situation. Fourth, the SM casting delay is dangerous. Fifth, Blizz nerfed DFs' range noticeably. With all that said, I'd rather have a Bramble then Enigma.

The bad point: you'll be out of mana quickly if you try to out tele a caster. Also, Kodachi seems to exaggerate about killing hammerdins with high MB alone. Hope you have 16 rows of blue pots Plus, they can Charge out of stun-lock, assuming they know what they're doing. Also, the WWsin's losing a lot of poison damage w/o Bramble or even Nat's. But as long as OW procs, and the caster doesn't pot, you can watch them die a slow death .

nice guide it has logic in it

this was a kick ass guide thx.

Another thing that Koda didnt bother to mention is that with feral+ runic as your Chaos/Fury, you can still cast traps at max speed even under slow or HF effects.

Also I feel the need to have +3 venom on claws is not that important... I would like +WB, WoF, DF, LS, MB on them.