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Jul 17 2008 04:46am
hey would it be better 2 use a 2/20/21dex/13str11@res/20s circ then griffs?
caus i thinkm it gives more dmg to foh if socked 5/5 5/5

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Quote (jokernomore @ Thu, Jul 17 2008, 06:46am)
hey would it be better 2 use a 2/20/21dex/13str11@res/20s circ then griffs?
caus i thinkm it gives more dmg to foh if socked 5/5 5/5

the 25 fcr is necessary for 125 with hoz and 2x bk's. the effects of the extra -res on griffs is sort of unquantifiable, but it definitely helps. in the end, the griffons will net you more damage.

if you have the circlet and want to use it, it'll work fine. you'll just have to work out your own equip/skill setups.

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the 25 fcr is necessary for 125 with hoz and 2x bk's.  the effects of the extra -res on griffs is sort of unquantifiable, but it definitely helps.  in the end, the griffons will net you more damage.

if you have the circlet and want to use it, it'll work fine.  you'll just have to work out your own equip/skill setups.


to be honnest with you i have never been a fan of hoz when u have spirit shield to use;

for example;

Sprit setups allow you to run tighter setups vs all;
  • Better Dr options,i.e you can use dungos or bb if on my Eunl and ofc like me i u can use 2skill/20fcr/life/2 sock helms or 2/20/2 helms for better as close to 44% pdr on standard bb setup up realm as default
  • Better res options as you can get upto 80 res vs all apart from fire which will be at 45%
  • More stack res ofc.
  • the fhr is also important this means you don't have to use 4x 12% fhr gc which cost 180 life before bo and that with using perfect 45 lifers ofc.
  • the added 35% fcr again helps for flexable setups
  • And all you lose now is 2+ combat skills that zaka has.
  • You also can now afford to use a better amu as its expensive to get a gg 2/20 + nice adds pala amu you can now use for example a 2pala/10fcr/dex/life/mana/all res amu and is affordable as well
Griffon is nice i use and carry in stash the boost it gives to foh really helps + the -res as well but with zaka setup ur 2 limited with setups as the aim is to get a flexable setup with minimal skill loss if possible as this build need all the skills it can get.

zaka imo is good for a 75% fcr setup but not good for 125% fcr its not customisable enough at 125% fcr without losing alot of + skills.

Btw ur Tienje rite this is Sichalo @ diabloii smile.gif


This post was edited by halo273 on Jul 17 2008 07:10am
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to be honnest with you i have never been a fan of hoz when u have spirit shield to use;

for example;

Sprit setups allow you to run tighter setups vs all;
  • Better Dr options,i.e you can use dungos or bb if on my Eunl and ofc like me i u can use 2skill/20fcr/life/2 sock helms or 2/20/2 helms for better as close to 44% pdr on standard bb setup up realm as default
  • Better res options as you can get upto 80 res vs all apart from fire which will be at 45%
  • More stack res ofc.
  • the fhr is also important this means you don't have to use 4x 12% fhr gc which cost 180 life before bo and that with using perfect 45 lifers ofc.
  • the added 35% fcr again helps for flexable setups
  • And all you lose now is 2+ combat skills that zaka has.
  • You also can now afford to use a better amu as its expensive to get a gg 2/20 + nice adds pala amu you can now use for example a 2pala/10fcr/dex/life/mana/all res amu and is affordable as well

Griffon is nice i use and carry in stash the boost it gives to foh really helps + the -res as well but with zaka setup ur 2 limited with setups as the aim is to get a flexable setup with minimal skill loss if possible as this build need all the skills it can get.

yep thats why hoz is listed as a pure damage setup. all the dr/block/stack setups use spirit.
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Jul 17 2008 07:35am
i plane on useing p spirt st so no hoz fore me
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Jul 17 2008 12:02pm
Which damage do you think is best TienJe? I was thinking the 11k hammers/4k FoH. Originally I was thinking the 8K hammer/6k FoH but they coulf still sorb you and then youd have weaker hammers
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Jul 17 2008 12:25pm
Quote (ScytheReaper @ Thu, 17 Jul 2008, 19:02)
Which damage do you think is best TienJe? I was thinking the 11k hammers/4k FoH. Originally I was thinking the 8K hammer/6k FoH but they coulf still sorb you and then youd have weaker hammers


u can get to ~ 9.6k hamer/6.7k foh dmg with a different skill allocation
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Jul 17 2008 12:28pm
Quote (Dumpling @ Wed, Jul 16 2008, 10:48am)

Don’t ask me which one is better, because I won’t answer you.

ra ra

but the damage setups you listed are all very low. are you reading the numbers correctly?

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Jul 17 2008 12:42pm
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ra ra

but the damage setups you listed are all very low.  are you reading the numbers correctly?


u aint sick

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Jul 17 2008 12:45pm
Quote (jokernomore @ Thu, Jul 17 2008, 12:46pm)
hey would it be better 2 use a 2/20/21dex/13str11@res/20s circ then griffs?
caus i thinkm it gives more dmg to foh if socked 5/5 5/5


show me that circ plz rofl.gif
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