Quote (Junglist69 @ Mar 26 2026 01:35am)

Nice. So you don’t run highlord but phoenix?

How do you get only 2 less skills on insight then ? Phoenix insight looses 6 skills on weapon/offhand vs arioc/meph.

Running arioc with a 3/20 circlet atm.
Do you have skill rings with insight ?

Quote (Onyxdian @ Mar 25 2026 06:37pm)

insight running 2x bk5 and 2/20 warlock ammy + 3/20 2os circlet +meph book

Quote (Junglist69 @ Mar 26 2026 01:52am)

O so you don’t go phoenix . Haven’t thought about insight with meph book.
Going this way though you have two big problems:

1. You don’t have any mana leech at all. Don’t think aura will be enough for full spam without leech.

2. there is no way you will get your resists capped with 2x bk.
Especially with a 3/20 helmet without res. It just isn’t possible.

On my Build i run two realy good fcr rings, one with dualleech. Both have all res and a high single res (one has 11 all 41 fire str mana for example) . And I still need to run 5@ charms on every charm slot to cap my resist. I also have a good all res 2/20 amu .

And you realy need the all res from your jewelery if you want to run a 3/20 helmet + goreriders.

If you go 2x bk and 3/20 helmet with insight you will be at ~30 all res even with an inventory full of 5@ charms. There ist just no way you can get good res without dropping gores or Grand charms

But dropping gores makes the deadly strike gap even bigger and drops a lot of damage.

But there is just no wayyou will have any decent res with 2xbk a 3/20 helmet and gores even with the most godly 2/20/@ amu. You also have no mana leech

Quote (Onyxdian @ Mar 26 2026 02:26am)

1. u can always switch 1bk to soj if u really have mana issue and mana leech can spawn on ammy as well
2. yes like i mentioned earlier , res can be done with 11res sc , i dont really need cold or poison res capped , just max light and others around 30-40+-.

it almost looks like u couldn't accept insight is a better weapon and its ok. everyone has their preference , u can remain to use whatever setup u think is best

Quote (Junglist69 @ Mar 26 2026 12:23pm)

No I’m just realy curious, it’s way closer than I thought. Haven’t thought about mana leech on amu. Still don’t like the build because 30 all res is a Nono for me. But especially with leech on amu you sac more possible res on the only place you can get it.

Insight(2bk): 45 skills 78% crit , no phoenix, no resists
Arioc: 47 skills 90% crit, no phoenix

You will still have a little bit more damage with 12% more effective crit on arioc.

But Let’s be real. You won’t realy notice this.
We just minmaxing damage.
You can just drop gores on both setups and get some nice trires boots to fix your resists. That hurts less on arioc though since you will still have 80% effective crit. But both don’t realy need gores. It gives most damage but it is not necessary at all.

Both work realy realy well with or without gores.

May you be able to put together an ondal build in planner? <3
Legit think it may top both, having the same all res problem :D

Ondal build would basicly be the same as arioc but with highlord and phoenix as amu/shield .

Ondal with Lo would end up at 44 all skills but with 80% effective crit AND phoenix. With the same gg rings as arioc you can get your resists.

This would give more crit than insight , less than arioc.
One less skill than insight but it can run phoenix without sacrificing a lot while still being at 80% crit and 125 fcr.

Seems to actualy Beat both when we just talk damage.

Insight(2bk): 45 skills 78% crit , no phoenix
Arioc: 47 skills 90% crit, no phoenix
Ondal: 44 skils 80% crit WITH phoenix .

You don’t loose many skills with ondal at all while maintain big crit and even using phoenix.

One more thing for insight : in your setup you could still go for gg fcr rings instead of bk and use loh as gloves. This gives 350 ed vs demons and you could actualy get some resists.

Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 26 2026 03:48pm)

bro can't even use insight correctly lmao


insight 35fcr
ars dul meph 30fcr
circ 20fcr
gloves 20fcr
arach 20fcr

that's 125fcr, why the hell are you using a 2/20 amu there instead of HL

if you dont have ars dul with 30fcr then you dont use insight, thats that simple

Quote (Onyxdian @ Mar 26 2026 09:14am)

my friend, why u want to use fcr glove when u can use loh/steelrend/ gravepalm /ghuolhide/ tri res dual leech glove

i had never listed any fcr glove in the build , stop assuming

please read , lmao

Quote (Melatonina @ Mar 26 2026 04:21pm)

lmao bro, you're really that bad

steelrend : CB doesnt work

Loh : cool, but ed is a minor add

tri res dual leeh gloves : lmao!

we want to use fcr gloves so we can max ou DS with HL bro

uninstall d2

Quote (Onyxdian @ Mar 26 2026 09:25am)

who says u need CB on steel rend - read again , 60 ed + 20str = pure damage adds

and again please read up how crit strike calculation works when adding ds

HL does not add plain 37% to the ds calculation when u have crit strike from insight

tri res dual leech is for those who wants ML and LL + res , other wise u can op for the other alternatives

LOH = minor add shows that you are just funny :rofl: