Quote (Haseo @ Jan 3 2026 05:02pm)

normally, not good, u dont want ll on weapons since ll is capped at 8%(string of ears) mostly cuz of druids

Quote (gel87 @ Jan 4 2026 10:17am)

Because then people cannot sell their items with cold damage.
It’s the same as gm melee: «oh i have this rare which is worse than grief, i need to ban grief to sell it»

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jan 4 2026 05:57pm)

And so basically it’s forcing you to use CbF against all matchups where SoE could have been useful.
So, we go back to my initial comment… death belt+gloves seems BiS, which allow you to use 20ias harpoons and meet both throw and ww requirements.
If you don’t have cold dmg on weapons, then you need it from anywhere else. This is ensuring your opponent is forced to use death instead of SoE.
But since death combo also comes with the capped 8% leech, then you can’t have leech on weapons (same as if you were gonna use SoE).

Also, from what I see, sojs seem very hard to beat on throw/ww hybrid… you lack a lot of skill points to invest in 2 masteries, 2 skills, all your warcries and passives. With a full inv of 3/20/15 it seems sojs are just beating any gg lvl 30 rare rings in every aspect (except fcr). Those extra % ar/ed/crit/life/mana you get result in much more dmg than rares as they multiply already high flat numbers. They’re also passively giving you res/def/frw.

I would build something with very basic gear on most slots:
Death belt+gloves (up’d 1x)
Sanders boots (up’d 1x)
2x soj
Peace MP 15ed

Then the expensive part is:
2x 20ias harpoons (no leech to be GM)
Amy
Circ 1/30/20/2os (20fcr + another 20 on tele staff)
40x 3/20/15 scs (or some with 3frw or 5fhr, 1 with cold dmg if not on other gear)

This is how I would approach this build, but again… I don’t LLD

Quote (oly1 @ Jan 9 2026 02:36pm)

I recently traded a claw I had for 2 harpoons, 30 IAS, 12x EREP, and a helm, 1 Barb Visio, 2 bo, 1 other minor mods, 1 os. I am not sure I did great, but I always wanted to try a lld. And I choose to do this.

I want to understand why it is capped at 8ll?

Also, I would love to know what options are for other slots.

Is eye of etlich and a low ll soe and option?

Is peace bis or like an 80 life 3 soc armour with jewels like 24 max, or the other ones with stats?

Thank you.

Quote (SinsOfTheSun @ Jan 9 2026 03:00pm)

I'm probably not the right guy to answer those questions (I don't LLD), but I'll try

From what I understood, 8ll is a GM cap to make summons still usable.
Leech is only 1/6 effective vs players (rounded down, so 8% is reduced to 1%), but still fully effective against summons, so simply getting a good leech amount is enough to make you completely unkillable against summons

Peace is hard to beat for a throw barb, +2 crit = 25%
Maybe in your case, if both your harpoons have rep, you won't so heavily need crit chance to replenish quantity
Hard to say from my lack of experience on the matter if a gg 3os armor could beat it...

I guess eye of etlich is an ok temp, but you could get more from a rare
I dunno if all leagues respect the 8ll cap... this would force you to not use SoE
But anyway, as I previously said, I don't really see how SoE could fit in this build as it would be used against other melees for the DR% but then you lose the CbF from death and it's way too easy for any melee build to have a source of cold dmg

Other gear slots have already been discussed, you quoted some above :p

Quote (Homosexual419 @ Jan 9 2026 03:14pm)

I've read some things about the cold damage and CFB. Most builds have none because of the MDR bug, and you need to do a certain amount to actually do the "cold check" to slow the enemy? (I don't fully understand this part yet) But having any elemental damage (even the light dmg from SoJ's, can reduce your physical damage significantly.

I'm enjoying having SoJs on my barb, but I think I need to change to dmg/ar/life/fcr rings to do more phys damage because of the MDR bug (Which again, I don't fully understand this either)

Quote (oly1 @ Jan 9 2026 01:36pm)

I recently traded a claw I had for 2 harpoons, 30 IAS, 12x EREP, and a helm, 1 Barb Visio, 2 bo, 1 other minor mods, 1 os. I am not sure I did great, but I always wanted to try a lld. And I choose to do this.

I want to understand why it is capped at 8ll?

Also, I would love to know what options are for other slots.

Is eye of etlich and a low ll soe and option?

Is peace bis or like an 80 life 3 soc armour with jewels like 24 max, or the other ones with stats?

Thank you.

Quote (Haseo @ Jan 9 2026 04:03pm)

Because of druid summons and healing to full off of 1-2 hits

No cuz ll capped at 8, use a 1 barb or 2 mastery amulet

Peace for harpoons without rep cuz crit is how you replenish them, u can use 80 squid if they have rep, ed/min/str/dex would be bis jewels