Quote (feanur @ Apr 27 2011 03:07pm)

Nice post.


About Critical Strike ( Insight mod) :

+1 all skill (Battle command) and +2 all skill (Andy's visage) apply to Oskill Critical strike.
+9 critical strike (54%DS) can be reached, though this is not relevant for your comparaison.


About your results for Insight merc :

In regular situation (not under decrepify), you find DPS higher with Forty, except for a Hammerdin merc, for whom Treachery would give higher DPS.

I'm a bit surprised :

Forty Total +%ed : 1434%
244 (str)
260 (might level 23 = 20 native + 2 andy's + 1 battle command)
60 (Jab level 26)
570 (concentration level 35)
300 (Fortitude)

Forty attack speed : 25 / (5.5+1)
5.5 fpa with Giant Thresher and +35ias

Treachery +%ed : 1134%
244 (str)
260 (might level 23 = 20 native + 2 andy's + 1 battle command)
60 (Jab level 26)
570 (concentration level 35)

Treachery attack speed : 25 / (4.5+1)
4.5 fpa with Giant Thresher and +35ias

15.34 * 25 / (5.5+1) > 12.34 * 25 / (4.5+1)
DPS with Fortitude are 5.2% higher than with Treachery.


Under decrepified now, Treachery gives higher DPS than Fortitude only with Concentration aura.
And still, damages are very closed :

Forty attack speed with decrep : 25 / (8.5+1)
8.5 fpa with Giant Thresher and +35ias + decrep

Treachery attack speed with decrep : 25 / (6.5+1)
6.5 fpa with Giant Thresher and +35ias + decrep

15.34 * 25 / (8.5+1) < 12.34 * 25 / (6.5+1)
DPS with Treachery are 1.9% higher than with Fortitude.

Without level 35 Concentration :

Forty Total +%ed : 864%
244 (str)
260 (might level 23 = 20 native + 2 andy's + 1 battle command)
60 (Jab level 26)
300 (Fortitude)

Treachery +%ed : 564%
244 (str)
260 (might level 23 = 20 native + 2 andy's + 1 battle command)
60 (Jab level 26)

9.64 * 25 / (8.5+1) > 6.64 * 25 / (6.5+1)
DPS with Fortitude are 14.6% higher than with Treachery.



About Crushing Blow :



Along with 50% dr (Hell Baal) :

Code# players      1      2      3      4      5      6      7      8
CB effect    1/16    1/24    1/32    1/40    1/48    1/56    1/64    1/72

Hence, in P8, CB reduction is ~ 1.34 % (and not 6.25%).

Again with CB and your WCS :

With 40% CB, you apply 4 succesfull CB at the end of a 10-hits sequence.
This is a bad method.
If you had 51% CB, would you apply first 49 hits without CB, and then 51 hits with CB ?
It would have no sense, since most monsters will be dead before the 50th hit.

You should simply apply a "weighted" damage for each hit :
- substract CB effect * CB probability
- apply regular physical damages.

ex against Baal in P8 (2,221,654 hp - 50% dr) with 40% CB :
1/72 of 2,221,654 = 30,856
40% of 30,856 = 12,343
substract 12,343 at first hit before regular damages,
repeat with current Baal's hp.
Actually you could also extract a 10th racine of 1^6 * (71/72) ^4 to have a more precise value.
But with "close to 1" numbers, the first calculation is pretty good and much more simple.

Quote (abmi @ Aug 29 2011 09:29am)

After 25-30k public (with lvl req set on 55, 4-8 ppl) boted diabaal runs (last ladder 03-08/2011) on 8 hammerdins :
4 geared : hoz bered, shako bered, hoto, ww, eni mp, mara, soj + bk, 3pc sk , few sc life res - 4000 - 4100 hp):
4 geared : 125 fcr , same equip except fcr ring and spirit shield

Mercs equip
treachery bug (1300+def arm) + andy + reaper's = safest combo i ever used for exping till 99lvl - 1chicken evry 600-700 diabaal runs (gametime around 7,5 - 8,5 min) 1 dead merc for like 1000 games
treachery + andy + insight = slightly faster runs , less safe - 1chicken evry 300-400 games (gametime around 6,9 - 7min)


In ladder 2010-03/2011 i was using only merc's equiped in andy + forti + insight
for like 20k games had chicken evry 200-300 games couse by dead merc.

in both ladders i was using freeze aura merc's


in my case for exping :
treachery > forti same as reaper's toll > insight/infi

for faster runs : forti + insight
for 1ppl game : forti + insight

other thing is that no one can tell which armor or weapon is better, that depends who and what for are using them
1ppl or 8ppl public as bot
duels or solo mf runs
vs player or vs dolls at throne
etc etc

anyway , my points is :
thers no such thing as better armor , at least in case treachery Vs fortitude

Quote (Godest @ Aug 29 2011 04:32pm)

..........Bad.

Treachery + Andy + Reaper's?  How much fucking life leech do you need bro?  The combo is Treachery + GFace + Reapers.  Fact is Treachery > Fort either in 1 player or 8 player games.

Quote (MULTIQ @ Aug 29 2011 09:35am)

wrong!!!!!!!!!

Quote (MULTIQ @ 29 Aug 2011 11:35)

wrong!!!!!!!!!

Quote (abmi @ Aug 29 2011 09:39am)

im using andy not couse of ll but couse of str needed for using sacred treachery and couse of extra ias
need ias for faster decrip

Quote (abmi @ Aug 29 2011 10:06am)

ive tried low treachery (normal non eth dusk, and few non elite) and thers no doubt that 1300+ def bug treachery gives more survi to merc then low one.
and ias ? how about decrip from baal at throne, ice bolts from skeletons ?

for me eth andy soxed ias + fires > Gface