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May 31 2009 03:20pm
For the PvM section you might recommend adding to Vita, seeing as how Mana Burn.
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May 31 2009 04:03pm
Quote (Addiktive @ Thu, Apr 2 2009, 02:37pm)
Gear is really inflexible because of the breakpoints you have to hit. You can throw in some variations like CoH on chest but then you have to give up gloves/ammy if you wanna hit 65% ias. You have to give up ammy + rings to get enough AR to hit Pallys and Babas properly without a merc in PvP. If you wear CoH you can't complete partial angelic set so your AR will suck. Hat/Shield has to be Dream for obvious reasons.

Only real difference is in PvM you can use a Blessed Aim merc for a big AR boost which frees up your jewelry for something else thats useful.

Not gonna pretend that its an amazingly effective concept for a pvp build because it isn't really - you are never gonna max block with a Dream shield unless you invest hundreds of points in dex. You could use guardian angel but then you have to use ias gloves, highlords and lose damage + res and have crap AR. Its hamstrung from the word go with 10/7 frame attacks which is slow as hell. Gear is so locked that you can't use alternatives that give you huge life and mana without losing something really important.

I still commend the author for trying to make it work though and for writing a guide which doesn't really have anything thats misleading or factually wrong with it.

Its gotta be satisfying to kill someone with it though. I mean against all odds you managed to beat some scrub with a [B]motherfucking zeal sorc.[/b] Think of it like a really low tier dueller - not expected to win much but if you do then damn you deserve some respect.

err wat?
pvp zeal sorcs max block with dream tower shield all the time. 353 dex after gear. Not that hard, can still hit reasonably high mana with 2x soj + frostburns.
Points in dex work nicely with enchant giving you better ar than a nonblock zeal sorc, its a worthwhile investment of stat points in more ways than one.

Zeal sorcs do have problems with some common pvp chars that they can not counter (smiter and cs zon mainly) and classes that can have problems vs better played hammerdins and barbs, but overall they are not that weak of a pvp build as you are making them out to be. Pretty good at stomping after casters if you are good with chainlocking telezeal, lots of damage very quickly when they hit. Ive beaten a lot more than just scrubs when playing a zeal sorc, although they do have some serious class disadvantages vs particular classes.
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May 31 2009 04:23pm
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Zeal sorcs do have problems with some common pvp chars that they can not counter (smiter and cs zon mainly) and classes that can have problems vs better played hammerdins and barbs, but overall they are not that weak of a pvp build as you are making them out to be. Pretty good at stomping after casters if you are good with chainlocking telezeal, lots of damage very quickly when they hit. Ive beaten a lot more than just scrubs when playing a zeal sorc, although they do have some serious class disadvantages vs particular classes.

Yup. Zeal sorc is very underrated.
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Jun 6 2009 08:36am
Quote (rafragzion @ Sat, Dec 22 2007, 04:53pm)
u can have ts on  memory

but pls dont understand me wrong this char rox but only pvm


i will agree with this, i have remade my zeal sorc 7 times within a few weeks experimenting.
i did all vita, es,glass cannon, used diffrent gears.
i found that es survived the most but with a mana burn you are pretty fucked since u cant even tele away.
this sorc can not beat any bvc,ww sin,smiters in pvp. if you do beat one its merely luck or the other player has no skills at dueling.
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Jun 6 2009 08:39am
Well how yo wanna reach so much mana?
Btw no dr?
no fbr?
How much fg do you need to make this char good?
I think its a nice idea but to expensive and to unreal
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Jun 6 2009 08:44am
Quote (albyx @ Sat, Jun 6 2009, 02:39pm)
Well how yo wanna reach so much mana?
Btw no dr?
no fbr?
How much fg do you need to make this char good?
I think its a nice idea but to expensive and to unreal


More real than you think. Quite a few of these have been made on closed realms.

dr can be obtained with btals/soe if the sorc needs. For most duels you don't need dr however, the only place it really helps is vs wwbarbs from my experience. mana to es does not take resists/dr into consideration anyway, and this is a 95% es build that tanks it's hits with almost entirely mana anyway.

fbr is of course a drawback but hey what are you gonna do? 50k+ easy light damage from 2x dream, the build would not function as well if you dropped down from using any other shield. This is not really a melee character as you would think of melee vs melee, think of it more as a caster. 40fcr with sorc fcr makes for quick telestomps to chase down casters and kill them in very few hits.


edit: just reread this guide, thought it was another zeal sorc guide that was written, much better guide can't find link though.. Kinda similar build except 45/45ias/cham/100hp armor instead of treach, most other stuff the same, fletch/2xsoj/arach/frosties for basic setup.
This build in this guide is actually kinda low budget and ghetto by comparison. >.>

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Jun 6 2009 08:49am
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Jun 6 2009 08:51am
Quote (albyx @ Sat, Jun 6 2009, 10:39am)
Well how yo wanna reach so much mana?
Btw no dr?
no fbr?
How much fg do you need to make this char good?
I think its a nice idea but to expensive and to unreal


so far ive spent around 600 fg on this build.
i used dual dreams
agelic ring
agelic ammy
raven frost ring
nosi belt
gores
rare gloves with ar bouns and ow
twitchthroe
passion pb
cta/lidless
9 lite gcs
ar/life scs

i also did a widow maker setup


This post was edited by killaholicHAX on Jun 6 2009 08:56am
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Jun 6 2009 09:00am
Quote (Ziecheik @ Sun, May 31 2009, 06:03pm)
err wat?
pvp zeal sorcs max block with dream tower shield all the time. 353 dex after gear. Not that hard, can still hit reasonably high mana with 2x soj + frostburns.
Points in dex work nicely with enchant giving you better ar than a nonblock zeal sorc, its a worthwhile investment of stat points in more ways than one.

Zeal sorcs do have problems with some common pvp chars that they can not counter (smiter and cs zon mainly) and classes that can have problems vs better played hammerdins and barbs, but overall they are not that weak of a pvp build as you are making them out to be. Pretty good at stomping after casters if you are good with chainlocking telezeal, lots of damage very quickly when they hit. Ive beaten a lot more than just scrubs when playing a zeal sorc, although they do have some serious class disadvantages vs particular classes.


very true

telestomp with chainlocking zeal is everything in this build, if you cannot chainlock zeal then dont even bother making one cause you will suck in pvp.
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Jun 6 2009 09:02am
Its a good all around build.But it requires a considerable amount of fg to really own.
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Jun 6 2009 09:06am
Quote (quicksand @ Sat, Jun 6 2009, 11:02am)
Its a good all around build.But it requires a considerable amount of fg to really own.


1k fg max from my experience.
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