very good guide!

I have a decently good bramble ww sin that does ok in pvp duels!
though I cannot get perfect charms, they are just to hard to come bye...to bad..3/20/20 are like severla hr each..
but to my question...
I see most prefer shako with psn facet....I have that one ..but I use now a near perfect dream helm..
at lvl 95 I will max dr anyway so shako seems unneccessary??
Dream really adds quite alot of damage I think its like 1-600 on weapon dam and some extra for the aura..
it gives 20 all res.....395 def.....28 fhr.....+10 vit...+5% max life...+55 mana..
I think this really beats shako with 5/5 psn fac..since I dont need dr reduction..
well what do you think of dream helm compared to shako...????
would appreciate some comments here...

regards Mikael/europe ladder

..by the way the big problem is ww barbs as everyone with ww sins knows...damn they have just to much life...
I am not owning though I do decently good..I mean of course vs good players..no point of bragging about killing the 80% players with bad equipment or skills...my max dam is av.. 4,7 k and life 2.3 k...see ya all d2 fans..

thought I post all my stats also and hopefully get some comments on how to improve her..

current lvl 89
(stats is with gear and charms)
str 123
dex 134
vita 380
ene 39

(with bo and enchant)
ww dam max.. 4769
ww ar. 7372
def.. 1703
life 2411
mana 518

equipped items
fury/chaos
trang
31/14 verdungo
248/18 raven/stone of jordan
20 maras
dream helm
16/46 bramble
upgr. infernostride
6 cta/ sanctuary shield on switch(for slow missiles instead of +1 skill)
charms: 4 gc sh skills plain, 1 sh skill 12 fhr, 1 sh skill 40 life, 1 sh skill 6 str,
1 sh skill 4 dex, 1 gc 15 all, 1 gc 14 all +3 max, sc 16 l cr 4%, sc 4 all res,
sc 3 all +1-6 l dam, sc 2max 16 ar 19 life, sc 5fhr 2 max 19 ar, 3max 19 ar 14 life,
sc 3 max 20 ar, 2 max 17 ar 1 dex, 1 max 20 ar 1-19 l dam, anni 1/14/15/5


res 85/80/75/75

equip in chest
jade talon 48 res
2 gc 15 all, gc 13 all, 2gc 25 light res, nokozan, tg, irathas, 2 dwarf, wisp, raven, helm ort ort ort(90 light res), gore riders, angelics, highlords, rising sun, crescent moon, demon limb, metalgrid

skills(with equip and cta)
claw mast 33
claw block 27
bos 14
sh master 29
fade 29
rest shad skills 14
venom 33
all trap skills 6
tiger strike 6
df 9 (from weapon as is 2 from trap tree)
goal now is to level up to increase fade and maybe get dragon claw skill (which I have missed)...

now tell me how to improve this assa plzz.
regards Mikael/ europe ladder

This post was edited by m72mc on Jun 29 2005 01:55am

Well Well.. Some of my opinions:
Since i have played a succesful wwsin, i'd suggest use 10 x shadow skillers
3 x with fhr (you are using bramble, right?), rest with life
Max FADE
Max VENOM
Max CLAW MASTERY
Max WEAPON BLOCK

Skills such as mind blast and dragon flight you can get from ur fury and chaos suw's

I could say all the dmg wwsins do is OPEN WOUNDS and VENOM.

So why to spend all ur funds gettin 3/20/20 cause shadow skillers help more.

I also used massive prebuff equip on my sin, such as:
+3 shadow helm
2 x +5 venom claws (there are +6 venom claws too)
2 x sojs
+3 shadow amu
etc.

And did you know about hidden bonus in fade?

It gives 1%dr / 1 point u spend in it, which means u should max it.
It also provided me with 73 all res.

Shako is good to go, i chose a 5/5 poison facet though, since my res were max.

Verdungos, hell yeah.

I'd say raven + angelics or double angelics if you got a cham in ur shako or so.
Ar is really needed. Vs casters its good to use things such as raven + absorb ring + metalgrid

Goreriders, ofcourse.

Trang gloves = number 1

Bramble, as i mentioned earlier...


and i can mention my wwsin did 6.1k + 5.5k (chaos + fury) dmg with venom precasted.
only few chars beated her feeling like remaking.
well. i hope this gives you new ideas and helps you all.


Greetz. Lacuna


edit: And not to forget mentioning.. I've seen some wwsins using Fortitude or/and Dream helm, which i think is just ridiculous.
they'd get alot more dmg if they just boosted that goddamn venom with bramble and shako, and more useful mods too..

This post was edited by Lacuna on Jul 10 2005 05:55am

guide is very good overall. Only problems is that instead of using fury or chaos as your second claw, take your chaos claw and put it in your secondary hand then get a rare fools claw. My fools claw does more damage then my chaos and they are both suwwayahs. With the fools claw in your primary hand u no longer need angelics or demon limb because u have more then enuff ar to kill ne one. Believe me ive totally raped many uber godly zealots. The second problem with your items is the um'd shako. Instead of um your shako should be jah'd. The 15 res from um is no where near as important as the 300+ life the jah will add. Another problem is your dungos. With 10x shadow gcs u will have plenty dr from fade so basically u should go lookin for a fhr 25+str 45+life belt that will add another 100-200 life after bo. Its also a big plus to get light res on the belt because thats the only res youll be lacking after you have all your gear. I personally like eth treks cause they add str vita and fhr so u dont need an fhr gc which means 1 more shadow lifer. With this setup my assn has 4k life and does 5.9k damage and shes only level 80.

JUST A FRIENDLY TIP FOR ANYONE THAT STILL USES OUT OF DATE BRAMBLE BUILD SINS THIS GUIDE IS OLD AND IN HIS NEW 2.0 VERSION HE RECOMMENDS YOU PUT MORE POINTS INTO MIND BLAST

I've just read this, and my sin can be completed with only 75 points, that's level 63!

Since I'm planning to level up to level 90, what should I spend the extra 15 points in?

So far I have-

20 claw mastery, 38 total
6 weapon block, 24 total
11 cloak of shadow, 29 total, +94 mine, -95 theirs - good?
3 fade, 27 total precast
max venom 44 precast

Now, I wanna know, max shadow master? Really strong shadows can sometimes own the hell outa people, this one would have 2.8k life without being bo'd, it's like working as a team with yourself, which is really fun. My sin with level 20 shadow master can sometimes own people with shadow alone, that's really funny, whereas my sin with level 1 shadow is more of a pain in the neeb.

Or should I max dflight? +800% more damage. I've never really done much damage with dflight, but with higher level it'll 800%...

Or mind blast? If I maxed mind blast my shadow would use it more, but I find when I duel I never have time to use it, and don't know when to!

Thanks for all help!

MB is definately the best option, if you already get max dr from fade (I take it your using shako + dungos for 25dr). If not then put pts to fade until you get max dr with precasts.

I got atm 20 CM, 20 Ven, 20 MB, 20 WB, 15 Fade
1 pt. in: BoS, SW, SM, CoS, FB, WoF, BSe, BF, BSh
I get DF from claw.

making total of 105 pts (lvl 94)

MB is one of the most important skills for wwsin. I think over 50% of my kills is with MB. Usually when psn and ow drained enemy life to 1 I MB the enemey to death, unless my shadow gets it first. Also using WoF and mb for stunning the enemy is important. Blade Fury is another handy skill that need to be mastered for being a good wwsin.


ps.

KrAyZi3xSiNx2o6, do you have link to the 2.0 guide? I know that it isn't on date either, but if somebody asks me a link it's better than this. Is it posted on jsp forums?

This post was edited by Zephiris on Aug 15 2005 04:15am

Yeh 27 is max dr for me

I'm full on shadow skillers, anni, torch, so 3 fade base is enough

I rarely use MB though, could you find me a link to any up to date dueling strategies involving MB and wof? Thanks =D

Oh another question, I can't afford 32020s (30 fg each in europe), so what's the best thing to aim for? 20 life scs (which I use currently) or something else?

Thanks

Sc's with 20life and some res. I prefer 20life 11lit res sc's. But if they are too expensive then get just plain 20 lifers.

woah nice guide here, it is "complete" that's forsure. U-god, if you still play (unlikely considering the date of the guide) but i'd like to duel you if possible. I'm also on uswest non ladder. There is only a few things that I did differently then you on mine. First, I wear COA whenever I use my enigma, and shako whenever I use my bramble. I like to use both set ups depending on who I fight. Secondly, I even went 1 step farther then you, and maxed out dragon talon aswell. I find kicks to be so effective vs quite a few characters, especially bowazons and any sorc. WW / Kick hybrid I find is far more effective then just WW alone. Lastly, I use a chaos runic talon instead of suwayyah. Personal preference I guess, but I occasionally play faded, so I like to set traps a little faster when faded. But hey, we both use Upgraded Imp shanks

But man, awesome guide overall. Good to see there are some people who actually do know what they are talking about. I'd send you some FG for your effort on this uber guide, but I seriously doubt you still play. But if you do, or at least come by from time to time to refresh your account and stuff, msg me

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