What in this guide is new and different? Oh yea, nothing.

even then, fhr is useless because of the wsg which he doesn't know about.

jealous of what? Your zon? LOL. I just don't like people acting like they know shit about a bowazon and feed people the wrong info.

say: "The zon guide that you posted previously did not have any effect on my guide what so ever, including the dueling strategy"

and I'll kill your credibility right there and then.

I never said your build is a copy of mine. Stop exaggerating and manipulating what I said about everything. I merely said you paraphrased my dueling strategies.

Also, you've avoided the questions that you cannot back up and you've tried to wiggle through with your limited knowledge in zons. Seriously, what kind of zon doesn't know about the wsg..

now say the above quote and your remaining credibility will be gone. Or you can say, "yes, i looked at your guide and dueling strategy and I think it had a lot of influence on my strats as well. I didn't mean to copy, i just got caught in the middle as i use similar strategies on my zon."

what sounds more manly?

EDIT:
Let me tell you guys why he's using coa

Because this is the same shit zon he posted on another site and he had coa on there. Its the exact same build. Sorry, last post when I said 80 frw, its because you used that number in your previous guide and claimed it was "optimal" despite what other people said. Guess you took our advice and got more ias then? He further took more of our advice and got rid of his poison charms. Theres nothing different in the build. Good now listen to our advice again, cause it did you much good when you changed your build and get rid of coa, get more ias.

This post was edited by manduki on Jun 9 2008 06:52pm

Because the sticky thread is obviously full of vitality bowzon guides just like mine. Good observation

So jsp is the end all, be all of diablo II info?

Never said it was, but its new and different here and thats why its getting so much attention. Maybe someone has a guide out there on a different site using the same exact gear as me, could be possible, ive never seen one tho. If you can find a guide out there to prove that my build is just old news and someone has beat me too it then please feel free to link me two it. But even then, it wouldn't matter since Its the first one here.


You're not jealous of my zon but the attention it is getting, you think you're hot stuff when it comes to bowzons. You just cant bare to think of someone else getting all fo the attention, thats why you had to created your own amazon guide which is a direct response to my guide. Then made all of this stuff up about me stealing strategies and what not in order to kill my credibility, but sorry it didn't work.



It is my build and my guide i will use the gear i want and i will do as i please. If you or anyone else doesnt want to use the setup, dont... its that simple, you can argue about COA sucking, or FHR being for newbs or whatever you like. In the end it doesnt get you anywhere and my build is still here and people will continue to use it.

"yes, i looked at your guide and dueling strategy and I think it had a lot of influence on my strats as well. I didn't mean to copy, i just got caught in the middle as i use similar strategies on my zon."

well see thats the problem, I didnt copy you, or your guide. And like i said anything similar is either a coincidence or common knowledge. Maybe if you gave a more specific example of me ripping off your strategies it would help. I wouldn't get to high and might there tho, because i hate to break it too you but most dueling strategies from all the guide are pretty much the same and none of them copied off of each other nor did I. The basic concept of shooting and running seems to be a pretty uniform idea amongst all bowzons since the game first was released. I cant imagine even you would have the balls to claim that you invented that idea. Or have you already flamed every thread related to amazons and claimed it as your own work?

This post was edited by Spartikis on Jun 9 2008 07:05pm

Yeah if you're looking for bad/false info, aka 90% of the stickied guides

including this one ^^

Future of all bowazons, funny.

more like trailer trash of all zons.

With:

Circlet 3 os, 30 frw

Socketed with: 2x ber 1x 40/15

30 frw = 120 life (200 ladder)


You gain 30 FHR from coa. This can be substitued for with 5x scs = 100 life (you only need 5x to reach the bp).

We're now even on FHR and have gained life.

You lose 6% bo = 50~ net life loss.

For damage:

You gain 80% ed from the dex you gain when you place all the str you gain from using a circlet into dex.

That's a net gain of 40% ed.

If you substitute 30 res with 6x charms, you lose 18 max damage.

You lose 95.4 average damage.

You gain 88.66 average damage from the 40% ed.

That's a net loss of 6.74 average damage.



In return, you get:

Much more flexibility. You can add in things such as 20/11s to replace 20/5s to stack resists, you can use 40/15 kiras against elemental characters without losing any damage, same goes for 08 gaze against physical characters.

More minimum damage. Again, I stress the importance of this. Although you lose 6.74 average damage (nothing) you gain 69 minimum damage, which, IMO is more important.

Max block. Your current build does not have max block. With an artistans shield of deflecting /w 3 ber you can hit max dr and max block due to the +80 dexterity you gain.


Note that these calculations are done with the assumption that you substitute life charms with fhr charms and that you use dual bers in the circlet in addition to it being nonladder.

If, for example, you use a 120/45 and a -req ss, you'll gain quite a bit of damage. Dropping down a FHR bp or two will result in massive hp as well.

Please note that I'm not trying to flame or trash your guide in any way, I'm just giving insight on possible improvements.

This post was edited by Legolas-III on Jun 9 2008 07:15pm

All looks pretty accurate other than the fact that with my build i get 60 life increase per 1 bo lvl (3%) thats a lose of of 120 life, not 50 life. If im not mistaken in the end you would be loosing liek 100 life?

+120(frw sc) -100(fhr sc) -120 (bo) = -100 life? am i missing something here?

Also where are you getting the 80% ed from dex? that would be the equivalent of 80 stat points into dex...removing coa would still mean you need 134 str for ss, thats only 40 stat points beign saved...not 80.

The flexibility would be nice if you dont mind running to your stash every 20 seconds. I prefer to have a well rounded character that can duel anyone without needing a pitstop to regear.