irony? I don't play hc. but you'll likely want a higher damage character to run baal/cs in p8 in a timely fashion. as far as survivability is concerned, you shouldnt have much issue if you make use of warcry's

as far as cth is concerned, you may also try -xx monster def/hit. cheap source is malice. but angelics is probably easier

merc armor try - treachery
other options: gladiators bane, shaftstop, duriels shell, duress, lionheart, etc

Okay, I will try War cry and Treachery ;)

Excellent guide.

Putting together my Freny barb I realized that I cant afford both double Grief PB and a Eth Death CS atm.
Besides that i got pretty much the same as your barb got.
So question is easy - what to focus on first?

My goal with the barb:
* Its HCL
* General Purpose killing, not so much MF'ing, but alot of Keyrunning.
* Uber Trist

So what to focus on 2x Grief PB or Grief and Death as first choice?
(my first GRief got 37 / 395)

grief + azurewrath/lawbringer will do the job quite nice.

for HC I would suggest maxing warcry, weapon mastery, frenzy, and using additional points in howl.

be sure to have lifetap charges, in addition to draculs, for ubers. also be able to use angelics or metalgrid or have some way of boosting your AR to be able to hit regularly. and if that doesn't work, use whirlwind

Maybe I can provide some of the HC perspective on this one.


I couldn't suggest maxing warcry since this is a spammable attack, but I do use and suggest getting this skill. I find 3-4 points is enough to get an acceptable stun length with +skills. The other skill, taunt is already maxed for frenzy. I see frenzier's who dont use this, and they should. It basically shuts down all ranged monsters (souls, archers) by making them walk towards you and melee instead of blasting your barb. They will also have much lower damage. Once they're in range you can wack em, or do a quick warcry to stun them before you proceed to chop em down. Dont negate leap either. A quick leap knocks back everything into FHR recovery, that recovery time is usually enough for you slay them.




For ubers on a mid-high level 80's character, I'd aim for around ~15K ar for a good chance to hit.

For HC D key running, its almost critical to have ~30-40 iPdr for the bugged snakes. An easy place to get this would be 1 nat peace ring+ iron pelt/gbane , or a Life everlasting ammy with res.

Gl and good advice.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Nov 19 2010 09:15am

>.< coffee hasnt kicked in, i meant battle orders where i typed wacry.

Say 4 hail mary's to the great mother and this mis-spoken moment will be overlooked


*cough*
Death ba+ death ba

"So what to focus on 2x Grief PB or Grief and Death as first choice? "

Yes, the underlined one unless your a button mashing junky like me, then death+death and amp/conviction/might on a fortier.

This post was edited by Master_Zappy on Nov 19 2010 09:50am

:hail: :hail:


*cough*
I only mash buttons when it comes to being grabbur. save may trigger fingur fur when I needit rockin a 250mf setup ^^

Wow, why i didnt find this guide like a week ago. I like the barb with azzure and grief, its like noone has chance. I wanted to make somethin different though so I went for axes, made my Botd Beast Ba, its not bad, its somethin new, but why why, why I havent red this earlier to find that my previous way is the best :-D

Thank you, great guide, very detailed.

Just wondering would using lw/grief or lw/beast be any good on frenzy barb? or just stick with 2 grief pb?

Ty