well you think having high weapon block is super essential while 1% of block (when you have ~60-62% total block) helps roughly about as much as opponent having 1k ar less



why not use gores+guilli+2 shadow skillers if you want raw damage?
and did you wait for OW in those 5-6 ww to kill? as you get more ows with gores

This post was edited by tudey on Jul 27 2011 01:04pm

imo you shoud also try the heavy hitting curel claw with shadows because i believe the % dmg boost of the gcs will increase the dmg more than the scs do once u reached a certain amount of base dmg on the claw while the scs always serve the same. (with your fools i doubt that they have the same input but with a 350+ average dmg claw the calculation and the numbers should look totally different)

i dont think that the difference can be so dramatically here. And if the dmg is still lower (i dont expect a huge gap) then take in count that the shadows do also provide a % ar and mb and venom and fade and so on...

and what about cloak of shadows? it reduces the opponents defence by 3% and increases yours by 3% with each point. thats might does not look to much but reducing your opponents defence by 15% is an serious difference aswell when ar is the problem of the build... that changes alot imo

I might be wrong but I feel like im not
thats why I posted it .................. and still this guy will blame me for doing so



did you read the part with the cloak? i dont believe that the ar boost has more inpact than the reduced defence has


in magic gts for sure
on standart chaos fury claws also
but im not sure if we take elite claws like drake millers into the calculation



read again
i think you should rethink that response

This post was edited by MoXeR on Jul 27 2011 01:19pm

scs don't always serve the same, when base damage goes higher the % damage boost from scs diminishes
but you need to remember that scs also have that 20 ar while shadows don't add as much from mastery

melee scs add more damage than shadow gcs on ghosts

it's not a "huge" difference per hit, but with a multi-hit skill like ww it's a big difference.

I didn't start anything against you. You decided to take what I said wrongly and made this comment:

@MoXer, Basically are you trying to say that with a "Elite" claw like drake millers, shadow will be better cuz it gives % boost to damage and if the base claw is stronger than the shadow will help more?

If that were the case, 32020s + Shadow would be better for me than right? My claws are gchaos and that fools in my guide. I also have the option of a Gfury too, but there are no "amazing" cruels on east.... at least not enough that its worth it to use a 1soc claw that u have to zod yourself for ~30 more damage than a gchaos (I might as well wear 2x gchaos if that was the case)

Cuz last time I tested this, I noticed a large damage output with 32020s + shadows than all shadows alone

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 01:25pm

So nobody is supposed to take "raging midget" as an insult? That's pretty new. You sure there's nothing wrong with you instead?



It shouldn't. On D2PK, where there were crazy cruel claws, 32020 builds still hit harder.

who is talking about magic gts? this is 2011.



I actually tested the damage difference the other day on my pjd sin (with a eth 450 ed warfist and 30+ melee scs). A set of 3x 32020s had +8 average damage more than a shadow gc did.

yes thats the point
The chars that we want to beat are:

Bcv: these requier high ar cause of there huge defence

using cloak reduces the defence with % which is a sagnificant drop while ar is always constant (alot better here)
venom is also slightly better here because we do less hits and therefore the time that venom needs to fully deal its dmg is more likely to pass till the next hit adds the next psn (slightly better here)
but you loose some life and maybe lil pysical

palas basically the same as with the Bvc

Nec: these have to be caught and the bone armor is the actuall issue
Venom>

the life increase from 322'swill most likely not let you take another spear

Ghosts: here i consider the scs beeing the better choice cause you have more life
but if you would (in the ideal case) swap a 350+ average curel in that benefits from the extra claw mastery + the extra venom than its simply better ... 15%more defence while your opponent has 15% less has an inpact ...



i would use the gfury only vs sosos and necs in order to break the armor with ow but vs all others i wouldnt use it cause 22x ed isnt really alot and ds is already enough on the rest of the equip

and yes with your fools the 32020s serve more dmg vs most chars but thats not a alround solution and curels arnt that hard to find...

Cloak only reduces the %ED that they already have on them. It wouldn't be that much of a difference.
DClawing necs breaks bone armor pretty fast o.o