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May 17 2008 09:33am
is that a nice guide? LOL
no chance with this stuff, mine in ladder gives better stats


Quote (PIB-Apoc @ Mon, May 8 2006, 07:26pm)
With 35+ Lifers. Max block will get you around 2.7k Life. Non max block will get you upwards of 3.2k.

Dmg with both (Hoto setup) will be anywhere from 4.1k (max block) to 5.2k (non max block)

White setups (nvn) will go upwards of 6k.


mb built: 3k life, 43 dr (why the fuck i need 50 vs bowazonz chargers and bvs lol), 4.9k dmg, 125/86
hdin/nvn built: 3.3k life, 6.6 dmg, 125/86
dru built: 3.4k life, 4.7k dmg, 50 dr, 125/152
fb/light built: 3.4k life, 5.8k dmg, ~150 @ in nm, 125/86
orb/blizz built: 3.4k life, 4.9k dmg, max stacked in nm, 125/86
vt/hyb/jzone built: 3.3k life, 4.7k dmg, 200 light res, 125/86


but mine worth ~8k fg

This post was edited by meko93 on May 17 2008 09:33am
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May 17 2008 11:39am
Quote (VivaLaMexico @ Thu, Mar 20 2008, 02:35pm)
naw

if the sorc knows what she's doing, there's no chance for nec


so not true
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May 22 2008 01:15pm
is this possible for mb ?

circ 3/20/2 shael shael
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Jul 31 2008 07:02am
Doesn't like all that you sa man..BoneWall before boneprison nice to cutt all non eni user in ut and just own the shit out of noob babas and other newbies..hehe wink.gif if you get around 6,5k dmg with bone spirit and 6k spear its nice anyway because you got a bone prison with damn much life that not many kid babas kan take and ju can just chill and have fun tongue.gif but ofc if you want max dmg hehe
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Aug 8 2008 07:00am
what is the best for pvp ?
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Aug 25 2008 05:22pm
mm valk is a lil too expensive for some people. Shako is perfectly fine set up, since it gives dr, more life n mana, and +skills for tele and bo. And hoto is gg in pubs for stackin with oak.
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Sep 19 2008 10:33pm
ty hlped me out
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God damn, you are the most pro bone nec i know of by now...I would love to get 5-0'd by you sometime with my poor-ass bone nec...anyways...I'd like to add my dueling strategies for the poorer people (I have no godly gear(no mass duped shit) and i have to use homonc for max block and res and i have no alternative gear setup, but ive been with my bone nec for a while and i feel i have some insights to share) My dueling strategies are as follows: (they will work for you poorer people if you practice even a little bit) I have to add that I mostly dueled in pub games, so I dont have insights on a lot of classes, I only can help you poorer bone necs on what i list here (these are all i see in pub games anyways)
Assassins:
Trapsin: God damn, fuck these chars, honestly, ibs dmg is still too low to take them out, you cant get close enough to spear or teeth them...i think you have to be gfg to even think about taking even average trapsins on. Stack resist and somehow make up for fcr loss? Idk, fuck trapsins again.
ww sins: lol, fuck those duped boots, only time ever that treks are better (stacked psn res duh) you should have enough life and stacked res to tank them so play defensively and take their life down with teeh or bs slowly (fuck bone spirit for this, it takes too much mana) when they finally namelock you, fuck them, you can tank their weak shit, bone spear thier ass till they are dead
Kicksins: I disagree with the Apoc 100% on this. my poorly geared bone nec can tank sooo many hits from a kicksin its not even funny. They are no challenge at all, own them and take their gold if in a pubby game.
Amazons:
Bowzons: Really? you own these guys even if you suck...even the guys that use mass psn (you are poor and are using treks remember) so just tele on top of these guys and bone spear/teeth do w/e you have to to ez them.
CS Zons:
FC zons: fuck them and fuck anyone who thinks fc HACK is gm or w/e. You cant take em no matter what, even w/ mass/lucky ibs. Idk how even a gfg bone nec could take one one actually. Just, same as trap sins, fuck them, they hack anyways, just leave the game, and own a diff one.
Legit cs zons: Really? They shouldnt get a hit on you if you play a little defensively. (if they got mass frw charms, throw up some bone walls( not prison, they will prison break those) and just tele randomly and ibs and especially teeth their ass till they die. if you get close and can dodge lock them do it, they die before they can dish out a hit.
Barbarians
WW, with shield: They are done, you can tank them, gg pwnt, ty for ez koinz, w/e you say when you own pubs idc.
BvC: These guys can mess you up, but most are random pub duelers. First off even the pubs can kill you in 2 ww's so still duel smart, but fuck them, i'm only refering to the 10-20% that know how to duel somewhat. These guys can namelock you and own you if you are poor and don't have the fcr and fhr to get away. Also, they can desych with ww so always watch out for that and stay a screen or two ahead of them. Another big thing, they can take you out in one ww if they are good and you are unlucky, but 2-3 usualy if you're smart. First thing i have to say, if its a pub game, fuck everyone, bm them. Namelock them and decrep their asses then, gd ty 4 ez koinz. If its not a pub duel, duel defensively, I use weaken (since its like your only gm curse) on them to try increase my clay golem's chances of hitting him (however fucking small it is) if you get lucky and somehow your golem hits them before they die gd, ty4ez koinz. If not (pretty much all the time but still worth a try) ibs is your friend here, try and wait till the very last second to tele before they tele/ww you, ibs can catch them if they ww too long, regardless, it forces them to tele a lot, and barbs have no mana to waste teleporting. Honestly, the key to beating pro bvc's is just outlasting them. Take no damage and dish a little out at a time (even pro necs killl any barbs slowly) Always keep on the move with these guys cuz you dont want to try to tank them. I spent the most time on these guys cuz honestly, you can take even the pro ones w/ your crappy bone nec if you are patient enough.
Druids:
Melee: Omg, seriously one of the easiest classes you will ever face. Just stay away cuz they hit hard and you are fine
Windy: Anyone that says you can win this is a joke honestly. You can beat pubby windys but thats it, maybe you will win 1/4 against all windys you see in pubby duels. I leave if they host me honestly, them and trapsins i just dont like dueling.
Necs:
Psn necs: lol, treks=stacked psn res, so you can tank them long enough to get in some hits on them. Still, play defesively. I use bone spear only for this duel. Just try and stay one step ahead of them and if you think they are gonna use psn nova, get a screen away, and BONE SPEAR (not spirit cuz they got mad revives) them. Eventually you will win.
Bone necs: If you see them in baal games, they are most likey wearing trangs, but if you see em in a duel game, assuem they are more gg than you (most are if you are reading my guide) This is a fun, and regardless of gear a close duel, so this one im saying come up w/ your own strategy.
Paladins:
Smiters: Fuck them, most use exile anyways and thats bm, so fuck they couch and use all your bm skillls (bone wall then bone prison and def decrep their ass). If they are one of the few legit guys that uses e upped hoz, then you gotta gm too. IBS and spear them, they have too much life for teeth. tele a lot. If your golem dies, gtfo fast and recast and try and bo it if you can. I like to use summons so either have a hard point in skele and skele mastery (you end up w/ 7 skeles w/ 1k life each after bo anyways so why not?) or get them from white and then the smiters cant even target you with all your minions around you.
Hammerdin: The guys that duel in pub games with hdins either use hacks and will own you, or are really good and will still own you. The ones with hacks arent worth the time, fuck them i hope they die in their sleep. The ones that are good, well, duel REALLY defensively, and rely a lot on ibs. if you are low on mana then use teeth cuz that will still get some hits since spear will not. If they are the crappy type that just tele's to a random spot and spams some hammers and then repeats, gl to THEM, own their pub asses...they prolly mf w/ that char anyways (cuz its prolly their only one)
Foh:Really, you dont have the life to take them on, idk how even a gg nec could beat them. If i was them, id foh, brg your life down a lot, charge away A LOT and repeat. honestly, how do you beat that even w/ stacked res?
Any other class: honestly, i hate pallys, i will never use one, fuck pallys imo. I know there are a lot of other gg pally builds (including v/t which i hear a lot of great things about) but i hate pallys sooooo much that i dont look at them at all. I just own the ones i can, and the ones that beat me, i just leave and join a new pub game. Any other pally build, sry, but you're on your own, im not familiar w/ the many other builds is what i'm saying.
Sorcs:
FB sorc: Really, a good or decent one you cant compete with even w/ sorb on. Teeth isnt fast enough and they tele too fast to have your ibs be effective. Bone spear is your only skill. play defesively, tele a lot and send random bone spears when you can and hope they hit. Unfortunately they have the same life you do if they are pure vite, and if they are es and decent, they can tank more, so you are 100% defensive this duel. Even if they are sooo low in life be patient, one hit can kill you from these guys.
Lite sorcs: a really fun duel, but they can get lucky and take you out in one hit so you still have to be really careful. A lot of these guys duel really aggressive (i know i do w/ mine) so be equally aggressive and tele at them and spear them a lot. They might not die that fast (especially if they are gg and es build) but keep them on the run and dont tele in a straight line at them cuz they can still one hit KO you w/ a lite attack. If they use nova and they dont use infinity, ty 4 ez koinz pub.
Blizz: In my experience you just have to duel as offensively as you can and always be spamming bone spears (no other attack) at them. You should catch them eventually.
Orb: There are sooooooo many noobs who use orb sorcs its not even funny. If you suspect you are dueling a noob orber, you can tank them, so namelock/spear them and they will die very fast. Unfortunately, if they are pro, just like apoc said basically, you cant win. Their orbs do fair dmg, and they duct tape tele down so you cant catch them especially if you are poor like me. Best chance for you is if they get too cocky and tele close, then you namelock and try and spear them to death.

I put a suprising amount of time into my dueling strategies, so i minus-well make a guide for poor people who want to make a decent bone nec (mine was VERY cheap) but can still do suprising dmg in pub duels. I'll get on it soon, but frat stuff (morning/most afternoon philanthropy, a social sat. night, chapter sunday, and recruitment during the week ), work insterspersed sunday-weekdays, and schoolwork, idk how long that will take. Im looking to have my guide for my bone nec in on wednesday though.
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Oct 15 2008 10:24am
i have make a necro very similar of this the chang are that i have shadowdancers for 25 dex and 30 fhr and like weapon i prefer to use a wizzy 7 fhr 9 dex 9 str but nice guide.
now i have a question in duel i have ever problem on mana my mana max is 800 or near, is this level of mana normal for a max block build or no???
tks for replies and very good guide mate.
(max block is better)^^
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Nov 11 2008 09:50am
nice guild
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