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Jul 27 2011 11:41am
Quote (UBadCuzBad @ Jul 27 2011 06:19pm)
first bro was crying for losing now he's begging for knowledge

dam bro u sounds fuckin butthurt and terrible

if i wuz drake i'd just troll you in the wrong direction

you aint worth nethin more dan dat


more new spawn ? serious bro ?^^ gtfo and troll someother topic,

cant see why people gotta bring guides / topics to there knees with 15+ pages of ranting about mines better, blagh blagh.
it was posted to '' help people '' who dont kno much or do kno alot and want anuther take on the build,

make anuther topic and blow ya own ass about how good your dueling chars are, better still make ya own guide ^^ and just hope that people dont ruin yours..
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Jul 27 2011 11:54am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 27 Jul 2011 15:15)
i wish i had a hero editor and knew how to make items. it would make testing MUCH easier. unfortunately i dont and im a bit scared to download one cuz it might be keylogger or something.


If you need Items etc. just create a char on open b.net and we could "trade"... I use HE a lot for testing purposes and creating full chars etc. is no problem at all...

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Jul 27 2011 11:56am
Quote (Azn Masta @ 27 Jul 2011 19:37)
I ask for ideas from everyone. Just cuz you are better than someone at pvp doesnt always mean you know everything, etc.. If you are worse then you have MUCH to learn. But even If I can beat someone in a match that doesnt mean you cant learn a thing here and there from "new ideas." PVP is part "good build" and part "good skills". You may win with skills alone, but your char will never be "maxed" until u have the perfect build to go with it.

I've been #1 on tons of ladders before but i still learn new things once in a while. I also help others who need it.

On a side note, If he suggest something stupid, im not dumb enough to follow it blindly. For example, his AR suggestion I believe is too high and not worth it. So I'm not gonna bother

No matter how good you are, there is always room to improve. You just have to get your head out of your ass to realize this (impossible for some who have too big an ego).



Once you give up to learn and improve yourself, you gave up to be 1# :) so 100% sigh what you wrote m8 :)

very strange these guys who acting big and pretend to have a big ego :) mostly arent so self confident in other ways ~hee ?^^


Quote (Tails chao @ 27 Jul 2011 19:59)
You can be #1 and still be improving...


^^ ? didnt i wrote this ? if not than sorry for my bad english :) but i meant that ^^

This post was edited by dairyCow on Jul 27 2011 12:02pm
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Jul 27 2011 11:59am
Quote (dairyCow @ 27 Jul 2011 18:56)
Once you give up to learn and improve yourself, you gave up to be 1# :) so 100% sigh what you wrote m8 :)

very strange these guys who acting big and pretend to have a big ego :) mostly arent so self confident in other ways ~hee ?^^


You can be #1 and still be improving...
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Jul 27 2011 12:00pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Jul 27 2011 07:37pm)
I ask for ideas from everyone. Just cuz you are better than someone at pvp doesnt always mean you know everything, etc.. If you are worse then you have MUCH to learn. But even If I can beat someone in a match that doesnt mean you cant learn a thing here and there from "new ideas." PVP is part "good build" and part "good skills". You may win with skills alone, but your char will never be "maxed" until u have the perfect build to go with it.

I've been #1 on tons of ladders before but i still learn new things once in a while. I also help others who need it.

On a side note, If he suggest something stupid, im not dumb enough to follow it blindly. For example, his AR suggestion I believe is too high and not worth it. So I'm not gonna bother

No matter how good you are, there is always room to improve. You just have to get your head out of your ass to realize this (impossible for some who have too big an ego).


nice wallcrap son

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 07:46pm

mad ?
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Jul 27 2011 12:07pm
Quote (UBadCuzBad @ Jul 27 2011 02:00pm)
nice wallcrap son

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 07:46pm

mad ?


Keep Spamming and I will get your account suspended from JSP for that.

If this was a normal post or random guide, then whatever... However this is a well written and stickied guide (Recognized by the mods). Please do not spam it.

I've gotten other people tons of warns and suspensions from jsp before for their countless acts of spam (not constructive criticism) so I know I can do it again. You aren't special. (I will ignore further spam from you and report it directly to a mod)

Please consider this your warning.

Have a nice day.


PS. On a side note (I've read your profile - you play east), if you think your sin is "good..." please, challenge me to a duel. I will prove you otherwise and end the trash talk then and there.

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 12:25pm
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Jul 27 2011 12:26pm
Quote (MoXeR @ Jul 27 2011 04:58am)
have to add hear that traplayspeed is totally pointless in gvg or vs babas because you cant get any benefits from having traps arround you
you can stunlock them but you dont deal dmg like this and when you want to do so you have to come closer in order to start the actuall action
beeing closer means they can also ww you which is instandly casted...pointless
also why would you want that ls wof combination?
y a good player blah blah blah
wont work off the paper
wof do not stack means more than one is pointless means traplay is pointless (not compleatly but also not worth sacreficing raw dmg!!!! )

Suwayyah 39 - 52 (ø45.5)
War Fist 44 - 53 (ø48.5) --> <all
Feral 22 - 53 (ø37.5)
Runic 24 - 44 (ø34)
Siccers Suw 40 - 51 (ø45.5)

maxing the pysical out put is clearly the goal in order to maximise the dmg output via ds
i would prefure a eth zoded claw over a non eth one with 2 os almost in any case
--> Um is cool but you wanna kill in one stomp
--> Lo helps with the dmg but it isnt calced 37(hl)+15(gore)+20(Lo)=72
this calculation is incurrect
the goal is to have a high as possibile dmg dealing claw which then gets pushed by the equipment

ofc a 2 sox eth would be the way to go but these are out of the range!

vs casters its a different story
put these are easy anyways...



I would explain my point to you but you are only replaying what you got told and have no point about anything that you ever came up with by yourself


You think I'm replying about what I got told? You have no idea how many times I've been told to do some stupid shit on my sins and have refused to do so because it just outright is not good. You however are still theorycrafting some dumb ideas like "ghosts started using 32020s because of the AR."

Quote (Madmaxio @ Jul 27 2011 05:50am)
as if u have any.
Shadows sks > 3 20 20s on ghost


I have the experience of not just me, but many good ghosts around. You however shouldn't be talking since you spew idiot shit like moxer does.

Quote (Azn Masta @ Jul 27 2011 05:52am)
9x shadows gives less overall damage than a combination of both combined


Oh hey look, one that agrees with me and not with you. GTFO now kthnx.
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Jul 27 2011 12:28pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Jul 27 2011 08:07pm)
Keep Spamming and I will get your account suspended from JSP for that.

If this was a normal post or random guide, then whatever... However this is a well written and stickied guide (Recognized by the mods). Please do not spam it.

I've gotten other people tons of warns and suspensions from jsp before for their countless acts of spam (not constructive criticism) so I know I can do it again. You aren't special. (I will ignore further spam from you and report it directly to a mod)

Please consider this your warning.

Have a nice day.


PS. On a side note (I've read your profile - you play east), if you think your sin is "good..." please, challenge me to a duel. I will prove you otherwise and end the trash talk then and there.


i dont have a sin bro

learn to read lol
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Jul 27 2011 12:36pm
Quote (Bryant @ 27 Jul 2011 19:26)
You think I'm replying about what I got told? You have no idea how many times I've been told to do some stupid shit on my sins and have refused to do so because it just outright is not good. You however are still theorycrafting some dumb ideas like "ghosts started using 32020s because of the AR."



I have the experience of not just me, but many good ghosts around. You however shouldn't be talking since you spew idiot shit like moxer does.



Oh hey look, one that agrees with me and not with you. GTFO now kthnx.


I see its not possibile to talk to you the normal way..

show ppl some respect or you might end up beeing all alone in a cellar playing 12 year old games
ohh w8 ...
how come you hate on me even though we share the same interests?
obviously because you are twisted somewhere
I try to give some constructiv input and you start freaking out compleatly
seriously there must be something wrong with you man...

This post was edited by MoXeR on Jul 27 2011 12:42pm
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Jul 27 2011 12:42pm
Quote (MoXeR @ Jul 27 2011 02:36pm)
I see you its not possibile to talk to you the normal way..

show ppl some respect or you might end up beeing all alone in a cellar playing 12 year old games
ohh w8 ...
how come you hate on me even though we share the same interests?
obviously because you are twisted somewhere
I try to give some constructiv input and you start freaking out compleatly
seriously there must be something wrong with you man...


I dont even know what you two are aruging about anymore...

But if its the 32020s vs Shadows...

I've personally tested both in game va a stand still barbarian.

9x Shadows Gcs do less damage than a Half and Half Mix of Shadows + 32020s (this is taking into account the claw mastery as well from the shadow's). The reasoning is explained in the intro of the guide - in pvp there is more resistance to poison than physical.

As for the gores setup. I noticed that it will weaken my more damage wise and lower my life as well compared to gface set up. However, with 65fcr, Its possible to avoid hits better etc... (but sometimes its hard to get a clean hit sometimes when your opponent is on the guard and ww's well. sometimes you NEED more damage to win)

Gores set up averages 6 wws to kill the 8k life barb
gface averages 5 wws to kill the 8k life barb.

So while the gores setup is better than the circlet + dancers for sin v all, its not nessecerilly better for sin v sin. altho i have to do more tests to confirm this 100%

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 12:46pm
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