U think im making jokes, but this is serious analysis
U gotta get max attack speed.. with 4 frame zeal or kick so they stack. They take stuff down in p8 so def works

This post was edited by yaf on Jun 25 2010 10:00am

hello sara

hey now, be fair, it is about a k/t hybrid that uses mass procs, so any discussion of alternative options is fair.
although I do agree with you that trying to build around destruction seems a bit on the weaksauce side.

one thing I really like about your riftsin variant is the combination of different elements. with destruction you'd be placing your eggs in one basket so to speak, since ds ce is physical/fire and would be contributing to a much higher amount of damage than the volcano proc, although I have to admit I have not tried an all out destructionsin Im very skeptical of such a low level volcano doing much of anything besides holding targets in place.
even though I swear by stormlash for that combination of static + ds ce to clear rooms at a time, I do have to admit that too places eggs in the same basket since k/t already has a high source of light damage from LS, making light immunes that much more annoying. my solution was to carry a azurewrath on switch and cta in inv, since azure really destroys undead better than any weapon, and just about all light/physical immune monsters happen to be undead. but I do really like your use of frozen orb cause it's good cold damage so it makes your build very nice.

@yaf: how much have you actually used destruction and are you sure it's the volcano doing damage and not just the raw cb%/kick/magic/merc/otherstuff thats making you think volcano is doing much damage? cause seriously its a very low level volcano and volcano has a hefty nextdelay both on the initial hit (10frame) and the fireballs (5frame) so stacking multiple volcanoes shouldn't do much even if you get lucky enough to proc on every kick of your dtalon.. I really can't see it doing much in pvm with how much health things have and how little damage it should be doing.
I don't like theorycraft though so Im not really enjoying speculating on this since I havent actually tried to build around this specifically (although I have tossed on a destruction on a few years ago and never trying it again) so.. ya. idk, does it really work for you? didn't you say just last week about how you couldn't chaos at all with your previous sp kicksin build, how is destruction working out for you, and have you compared it in gameplay to riftsin or a more standard stormlash build? Im very skeptical but I don't like to theorycraft.

that only makes you and ultima more alike

He's seriously brain-damaged, this one

check these out:

you havent debunked any of the mathematical models of my claims, not a single one. All you do is talk shit.

This post was edited by yaf on Jun 25 2010 10:31am

your complete "analysis" is based on char screen, self-made videos and imaginative figures.

when you realize what the fuck you're actually saying, then come back to me and you'll have my permission to say you're sorry for being a total idiot.
in the mean time, you're not worthy wasting time on trying to explain simple basics.

p.s sorry sara, for trashing your guide with this imbecile. this is my last message regarding this tool =]

This post was edited by Synonym on Jun 25 2010 10:38am

You have not shown how the character screen is wrong. And numerous calculations i have posted havent been char screen based(incl botd(would be more biased toward botd through manual calculation), ww over frenzy, ctc argument)

Last message? Ok, but you have not shown me wrong, therefore your claims are unbacked.

This post was edited by yaf on Jun 25 2010 10:39am

This thread needs less hate.
Nice build btw, I'm gonna make a riftsin once I have some spare FG to play with, already tried it in SP. I love how many skills you have to play with.

this.
although yaf is kinda making a fool of himself with quite a bit of his posts, its fair imo to discuss build ideas and talk about their shortcomings. ideas spark ideas so even though I have my doubts with destruction for the reasons I mentioned in my prior post, maybe someone else will make a new variant of this class that they can have fun with. even if less effective than the tried and true.
really though with the vid yaf posted and how short a period of time he's been trying this class since his initial failure, makes me wonder.
btw yaf, you didn't answer my question: did you try out a riftsin or stormlash sin or did you just jump into trying something new with destruction/dragon k/t? because really k/t can look effective even at a fraction of the strength the class can be.