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Jun 8 2008 09:36pm
Quote (manduki @ Sun, Jun 8 2008, 07:49pm)
by no means am i saying that your build is shit or not worth making. I'm just questioning certain choices like fhr and 8 fpa.

I think you accept that your zon is not perfect and so is open for criticism.

I'm not asking you to do calculations for every possible build. I'm questioning the statements you posted in your thread and asking for further information. If you don't have it, thats fine.

Finally, my VERY first fort zon (right after ladder converted over), had 7k damage with 1k life. This was with welfare gear, worth less than 1k fg today.

I just didn't like the idea that you seem to be labouring under the notion that your build is better than the glass cannon.

P.S. Obviously you didn't think I was a little bitch when you copied my dueling strategies. As I'm sure you know, I have an updated guide there. Feel free to provide your insight.

(I've also made a vita zon. So i tried it. I have put more than 30 secs while i was building that zon. I think i can provide insight on this build).


Well, about 2 months before i made this zon, i had a glass cannon.
Now that i made this build, i cant really turn back to a glass cannon. If u know how to use a bowzon in terms of dueling skills, then u can make up for the loss of dmg and ias which isnt much. I most certainly have.
I would most definately say that my kill to death ratio is much better than when i was on a glass cannon. I last much longer and i can even survive in a 2v1 or 3v1 in a pub game.
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Jun 8 2008 11:52pm
I like this guide very much. 10/10

Also, i have many questions to ask you, a lot has to do with poison. Lmk
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Jun 9 2008 05:13pm
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1) i find that decoy is useless, and valk is to slow, as a bowzon you run alot and it just cant keep up with you, maybe if you were a tele zon it would be useful.
2) COA does in fact have a extremely high str requirement. The points you loose into strength could obviously be used in vitality. However, less life is compensated by the fact that you have 15% DR and 30% res, this means you will take less damage PER hit, but have less over all life. If u look earlier in his thread i explain why you get better results with the DR and res than just having a life bonus. Plus having to switch to your ss anytime something gets near you is annoying, and the ss doest give you the fhr or the res bonus that coa give you ALL the time, not just when switched.
3) the rare boots/treks are used not primarily because of the res but because of the fhr! This is why i do not recommend war travs.
4) First off, FHR in no way effects the zon passive tree (dodge, avoid, evade). It only effects the rate at which you recover from a hit. And when you build a vitality amazon with massive life, lots of dr and maxed res, you are expecting to be able to take a lot of hits/damage. It is important to be able to recover quickly from a hit and continue to fight. You can have 20k life but if you have a terrible fhr rate it will all be pointless because they will just get you locked in FHR animations and will never be able to fight or run. FHR has always been considered useless on amazons only because they typically have had 1k life or less with no dr, and no resistance. Meaning they would die in one hit and if you die in one hit what the point of having something thanks makes you recover from a hit more quickly....you're dead anyways.
5) i could use jav and ss and a cta in stash but thats just a straight up pain in the ass. If you have the patients to constantly switch back and forth go for it. However, high life is key to this build and my zon doent go anywhere with out cta and sprit/ss
6) Just like you said, this IS a ZvA build, which for some reason so many people fail to realize when they begin yo analyze the build. This type of zon is many times moire effective in public duels. She can fight almost every character imaginable and does a much better job vs her common weakness such as the charge/smiter that so many peopel complain about.


1) Decoy and valk are not entirely useless. They can be used to tank projectiles and can avert FoH. IMO that's more valuable than having maybe another 1% in dodge/evade/avoid (probably not even).

2) You're forgetting the statistics here. Using CoA will give you LESS damage/dr/life/fhr than if you substituted the appropriate charms and a 40/15 ber ber 30 frw circlet.

3) Even with the absolute perfect prepatch rare boots, the tradeoff is about 50 life for +15 minimum damage whilst maintaining the same FHR and resists. + Minimum damage is extremely vital to a bowazon because they tend to have rather pathetic min. damage overall and nothing else (minus rings) can compensate it.

4) The fact that FHR doesn't affect the passive tree was exactly my point. This makes getting in stunlock rather hard, and dodgelock will happen anyway.







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Jun 9 2008 05:16pm
there's guide near this topic saying you rip him off this guide
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Jun 9 2008 05:22pm
Quote (silent9 @ Mon, Jun 9 2008, 06:16pm)
there's guide near this topic saying you rip him off this guide


And that guy is clearly wrong.
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Jun 9 2008 05:28pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Mon, Jun 9 2008, 11:22pm)
And that guy is clearly wrong.


no, compare my dueling strategies with his.

I accused him many times for doing this. He never replied.
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Jun 9 2008 05:37pm
Quote (manduki @ Mon, Jun 9 2008, 06:28pm)
no, compare my dueling strategies with his.

I accused him many times for doing this. He never replied.


Care to show where he "copied" your strategy section? I read both and see no comparison sorry. If anything his strategy section is BETTER than yours imo.
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Jun 9 2008 05:59pm
Quote (dark-soul @ Mon, Jun 9 2008, 07:37pm)
Care to show where he "copied" your strategy section? I read both and see no comparison sorry. If anything his strategy section is BETTER than yours imo.


you are clearly a moron, don't ever post in here, ever again.
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Jun 9 2008 06:02pm
well, hes strategy simply CANT be best only because of this

Quote (Spartikis @ Fri, Feb 29 2008, 12:28am)

Bow - Using ss and cta charge them and get them named locked. If they stand their ground and shoot they will be dead in a matter or seconds. If they are a runner just ga them and muli when close enough. Make sure to laugh if they decide to throw javalins at you.

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Jun 9 2008 06:04pm
Quote (manduki @ Mon, Jun 9 2008, 06:28pm)
no, compare my dueling strategies with his.

I accused him many times for doing this. He never replied.


I did reply to you. You are lying about me not replying and you are lying about me stealing your guide. You say this guide is yours when it is clearly an original and is NOTHING like yours. The gear is different, the skills, stats strategies, calculations, disproved myth, frw diminishing return graph and much much more. In fact the guide you claim I plagiarized appears to be posted in direct response to to MY guide. I believe what has happened here is a simple case of jealousy. You fancy yourself a top notch amazon dueler, and I'm sure you are! But my build has gathered lots of attention (both good and bad) and you simple want to be a part of all of the action by stealing my thunder and claiming all of my years of hard work to be your own. You can accuse me of anything you like but in the end you will be proven wrong and it will only make you look pathetic and immature. At this point i will ask you nicely to stop and accept the fact that this is an original build created by ME. I'm sorry if i have been snappy with you or anyone else but it is rather hurtful to be called a fraud.
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