Meh the setups I thought would fail would sometimes surprise me but were still usually to inconsistent for me. Talking mainly about the lower ar setups. When they hit a lot they're unbeatable but then they seem to go cold and never hit at all. Although I was surprised at how well this setup did since I thought it would be a flop:

cham/ber coa
shaft
angelics
hsarus boots
hsarus belt
exile
ias gloves
edc

Gets more ar than vis setup does as well as def. However because it's a higher str build it would get less life and loses the 15% ds from gores. But still it did pretty well and kept it around on one of my zealots for a while

ya actually that build that is proving to be most effective for me is a hsaru's build, which was originally how I built the char but since I've added builds and changed a few things.

Idk I guess it breaks down like this:
25kar/35kdef/3.5klife/62%ds
22kar/34kdef/3.2klife/82%ds
21kar/33kdef/3.3klife/97%ds

My damage is all 2.8-8.2k-ish, with some small dmg changes in the builds

Seeing those I just figured my high ar would be good against good def opponents, and my high ds build would be good against everyone else. But its the middle build even tho the AR is on the lowish side thats proving to be my most effective. I guess because its a compromise between the 2 "extremes" idk. Just surprised me. non-tap ofc for those who see the def and wonder

Well 22k ar is a good amount of ar for non tap duels in most cases. At least in my experience I used 20-25k ar setups for nontap and usually the middle road was the sweet spot at hitting non tap. The stats I got in mine were (tap setup ofc)

6.1k dmg (edc)
66% ds
3.5k life
26k ar
60 or 61k def (forget)

It did quite well and the stats don't look to bad tbh but the vis setup did beat it in just about every area since I had a godly visionary.

BUMP!!!!!

What's a Zealot. o.o

zealer w/ up'd edc and 100% dr.

^^

My most effective tap setup was

6.8k dmg (edc)
81%ds
3.1k life
29k ar
50k def

This post was edited by IceFox7689 on Apr 7 2010 06:20pm

The setup I used to counter that one had

6.1k dmg
81% ds
3.6k life
25k ar
60k def

yes.....vs. you idk y but my zealer just crapped out and put its tail between its legs

I did enjoy the Titan setup also

8.8k? (botd)
15%ds
3.1k life
30k ar
50k def

This post was edited by IceFox7689 on Apr 7 2010 06:28pm