2/20/2 Diadem gives me like 4k more plague dmg than 20/3os

You can get like 78k-80k range like that. Even more with stuff like facets, bramble, Trang gloves etc lol. But not necessary. But yeah before I put the java gcs on my cs zon, I was doing that too, running java gcs vs ppl abusing other cheese on me (assassin kicks currently broken, always hit, can’t be dodged or blocked etc.) or bmers. But the threat of phys dmg AND psn dmg is harder to beat than one of the other.

Good lord 80k sounds nutty but also probably overkill for most situations.

What would you say is the minimum plague damage to be enough of a threat to use in general?

I’m debating on maxing plague and poison with only having a few points left for avoid/crit, or skimming points off of poison to have more for passives. At 92 with mat and 2 skill circ it’s looking like I can pull off 30k plague with only 14 hard points into poison, and bowside that would be 66 avoid and 70 crit.

I’d skim more off of poison if 30k plague is overkill.

This is with no jav skillers and with passive gloves.

Edit: Did not mean to quote myself.

This post was edited by NateFizzle on Apr 13 2022 04:13pm

Picked up a cheap rare mat jav 4/30 one. Not high ed but it let's me keep 68fcr and throw at quickest jav! And no need to run 15ias ed jool on ss.

It helps with locking and putting plague!

it should be easy enough to figure the damages with each setup, like I was saying its about -30% to plague or -30% to bow over their respective max damage
if a zon has 199 base damage without gcs, then its the relative 199 vs 244 base damage, same proportion to overall damage. If you've got 870% ed and 70% crit, that's 3281 vs 4023 per arrow average, about -19%, but you can be sacrificing some %crit so maybe its closer to -25%, and with mat bow its probably closer to -30%. Meanwhile the difference of 38 vs 47 plague is 4384 vs 6517 per second, -33%. Don't remember the 2.4 durations offhand, they aren't in changelog but its about 12 seconds.

When you look at overall poison damage, DPS * duration as per the char screen, then you can figure most players have 75% resist / -100% plr and maybe 3500 hp, some more, some less, a perfect zon can be 4100+. But at 3500 hp, any plague that's listed as 41k+ damage on the char screen should be effectively one hit to bring them to 1 hp. 41000*0.17*0.25*2 = 3485 overall.
above that, what you're really looking at it is the DPS of plague, not its overall damage. You might hit 41000 damage somewhere around level 34, I don't know since durations are different. But that's 136 HP/s vs 277 HP/s for a 47 plague.

dealing twice the rate of poison is a pretty big difference

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 13 2022 11:12pm

But the plague isn't that easy to land on some dudes who are really good at it. haha GA on Telebowa seems much harder for others to deal with. Definitely need to hit the right balance between the two depending on the user I'm assuming.

plague is is nearly impossible to avoid for anyone who wants to get on top of you, and also for punishing erratic teleport patterns by defensive play, forcing opponents to slow down and measure their teleports more carefully.
now its going to be nearly 4x as spammable as it was in 2.4, with only a 1 second cooldown. Being able to flood screens with plague clouds is a huge deal, especially when they last a while each

The much shorter cd will most definitely be epic and I can't wait.

I just noticed some experienced guys figured it out and was being so careful not to go across the cloud.

But you are right. It forced them to slow down and avoid telestompinf me mindlessly.

It lets me spam more GA haha

I like that 40k+ range but it requires maxing both



Yeah i would go heavy plague if it wasnt frowned upon



im deff in agreement there. gotta have a good balance, you dont wanna be a 1 trick pony