im not talking about ghost vs ghost, and even then, 8500 ar is lacking

it's hard to peg an exact number on it, but for a standard vs all setup you'll want to aim for atleast 10k without fools

10K AR is good number. however it is impossible to get that on the chaos side (at least not without going like 6x 132/45s + vis helm). i used 4x 132/45s and a vis and only got 8.7k or something WITH a vis.

the fact that we lose that additional 2 more shadow gcs could cripple you in other aspects.

Also, while I suppose, I could get the extra 1.5k AR on screen, is it really worth that for the loss of 15% DS, 15% CB, 10% OW, ~200life after bo, 1% block and some poison damage + mastery damage, etc....

If i used that many 132/45s, i would have to use dancers instead of gores and lose its bonuses

4x 132/45s = 528AR, 180Life
6x 132/45s = 792AR, 270Life

12x 32020s = 240AR, 240Life, 35 Max Damage
18x 32020s = 360AR, 360Life, 54 Max Damage

Do you have a better suggestion? Cuz i can see where you're getting at, but it doenst seem optimal unless ur rocking claws that are basically "mind blowing"

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 07:51am

i do use some 132ar grand charms, and i also use some 20/36ar charms

in a standard overall setup, dancers > gores

i dont really feel like spelling out exactly how to reach the best values

10x 20/5s will lower your ar a lot, try using 20/11s @@ lol

why would u say that dancers > gores in overall? you lose out on so much "Damage" with dancers. is it due to the flexibility of being able to save 2 points into shadows?

also, i have the option of getting an extra 10x 36/20s OR 10x 32020s to replace my bottom 20/5s row when i duel chars that i need higher ar against (pallies and barbs). but i wouldnt be able to replace the res scs vs elemental users or in ghost v ghost.

I think last time i tested this, the extra 10x 32020s boosted my AR by around 1000 on screen bringing me from ~6k AR (with FRW Circlet) to ~7k. Then I have the option to using a vis helm which gives me an additonal 1-1.5k AR more. I would max out at around 8.5kAR with 12x 32020s, 5x Shadows, 10x 32020s (or 9k AR with 10x 36/20s)



its nice to have max res vs all opponents sometimes. i wouldnt have room for both sets just to ghost v ghost a little better :/

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 08:02am

Meh, pubs suck, who cares how much ar you lose vs them lol

dex, skills, fhr

the fhr plays a pretty big role for obvious reasons (again, i think 102/86 is best for an overall setup)

dex increases ar, defense, and damage (as well as fulfilling attribute requirements)

+2 skills is is also nice for obvious reasons

i noticed that your dragon claw and ww damage with 102fcr when u dueled my nec was pretty weak compared to a usual 65fcr ghost with highlords tho. did you use your cruels when you dueled me? i will say that you managed to catch me easier, but because u did low damage, u couldnt get the kill. ghosts dont really need more than 65 fcr to catch stuff in my opinion. once you reach 65fcr the focus should be more on damage, ar, and life

im more so worried about high defense opponents that come by once in a blue moon (mainly barb and YOU in ghost v ghost) which i wouldnt be using 102fcr against anyway. Otherwise, why would you need more than 6-7k AR from chaos side? most casters dont even get more than 2k defense.

i wish i had a hero editor and knew how to make items. it would make testing MUCH easier. unfortunately i dont and im a bit scared to download one cuz it might be keylogger or something.

If you can give me input on that to explain your reasoning, it would be cool. Otherwise, I might have to stick with the traditional setup due to the fact that i dont have access to a godly cruels like u

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 08:27am

first bro was crying for losing now he's begging for knowledge

dam bro u sounds fuckin butthurt and terrible

if i wuz drake i'd just troll you in the wrong direction

you aint worth nethin more dan dat

I ask for ideas from everyone. Just cuz you are better than someone at pvp doesnt always mean you know everything, etc.. If you are worse then you have MUCH to learn. But even If I can beat someone in a match that doesnt mean you cant learn a thing here and there from "new ideas." PVP is part "good build" and part "good skills". You may win with skills alone, but your char will never be "maxed" until u have the perfect build to go with it.

I've been #1 on tons of ladders before but i still learn new things once in a while. I also help others who need it.

On a side note, If he suggest something stupid, im not dumb enough to follow it blindly. For example, his AR suggestion I believe is too high and not worth it. So I'm not gonna bother

No matter how good you are, there is always room to improve. You just have to get your head out of your ass to realize this (impossible for some who have too big an ego).

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 27 2011 11:46am