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Good idea in theory, but you should be using the standard +5 nado pelt 163/99 PvP Druid build. Why? Because it's the most common build by an insane margin (and the second most common build is hoto/circ/+1 skill ring, which has the same damage), therefore it is the status quo. If you want to challenge the status quo, you should be comparing other set-ups with it.

So you should be using 6329-6643 damage for your comparisons.



Ok. Fair enough. It can also hit more if slowed, or if someone walks through it while WSGing.



Again, I would just use a standard PvP build. 1k is pretty, but not realistic at all.



Tornado will typically hit several times.



Right, but this is an overall comparison on damage dealt and life gained.



You are ignoring the fact that an opponent of x HP may simply not get hit at all for the rest of the match, making his current HP completely irrelevant. What happens if a Trapper survives your weaker Tornado with 40 HP, evades every single hit and manages to kill you with that amount of HP? Actually, as another example, what if he survives on 40 hp and runs off to rep? You are now in a situation where you are forced to be the aggressor (since you lost a potential chance at killing someone), which makes it really easy for a Trapper to control you. Many situations like this exist.



?.. Isn't a lower life gain contradictory to the advantage of Jalals?



Actually, I did include BO as part of my base HP, so you're correct as far as that goes. Typically with my mindset, I refer to base HP on Druids as their HP without Oak (since Oak commonly dies a lot in a duel), but you're right to say it's not his actual base HP without BO.



It's perfectly managable, Druids can get away with using less mana charms than most other characters can.

Continued in next post.

I dislike both helmets. However, I would still say a 6 nado helm>jalals.



You have three jewelery slots to gain +str from, and some like to get +str from boots too.



It's not my opinion. No one would use +nado pelts if they didn't do something as simple as hitting 75 all res.



Nobody uses 6 nado pelts anymore, lol. There would be no need to create a +5 nado helm assessment since Jalals is terrible compared to a good 5 nado helmet.



Indeed, but it still matches Jalals, and has the versatility to be exchanged for two open sockets and 10 fhr (allowing for LoLo set-ups)



1. Strength is irrelevant. Druids have a plethora of +strength options.
2. Again, resistance is best gained elsewhere. Invent, jewelery, boots all provide adequete resistances. Wizzy and 20/11s can be used to stack vs Convic or LR.
3. FHR has already been addressed.



I read the first post in this thread; and the post made after my original one.

cool..

ok well dude. this oak sage thing doesn't make any sense. Oak sage is not an item. It plays into the equation because it is = to life, and dmg dealt = life. but anyways...

yeah man your right, except the skills thing (do you mean skill tree? kuz if you do then that would be wrong.) We are comparing two items, but not 3. So what are you driving at?

The point about my story? I get the concept.

2druid/3nado/3oaksage/10fhr/29life/20s/21psn res

This helm exists on east nonladder, so yeah, whatever you have to say, im sure it doesn't beat that helm.

Oak sage is a variable, just like items. You can imagine it is an item that boosts your life. So imo you shouldn't think about it, if you do not think about other stuff that boosts the druid.
And I mean't all skills which boost bo level, which boosts hp, which is dependant on base hp.

I'm not going to do this multiple "address every point in the topic" thing.

I will stop at your second point. I'm not even going to acknowledge your first point as it is the most fundamentally retarded argument of all time.

Where you say I should use high level dmg comparisons.

I've already pointed out that 107 is a constant.

If you knew English then you would know that when I say 107 is a constant...

... it means that regardless of the skill level in contention, with max synergies applied, the difference between 4 skill levels in a nado is always 107 after the pvp penatly.

Therefore if you have max synergies and a LvL 1 Nado, but compare it to a LvL 4 Nado and apply the pvp penalty the difference will be 107

Therefore if you have max synergies and a LvL 100 Nado but compare it to a LvL 103 Nado and apply the pvp penaly the difference will be 107

the difference between 4 skills in regard to nado when synergies are maxed is always 107 after the pvp penalty.