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#221
Nov 21 2009 06:20pm
Quote (HLK @ Nov 22 2009 12:09am)
Sorry for all the questions, but making my first hybrid sin and still had some missing info after reading a couple of guides.
I tried wsm glitching with fools over boot and chaos over glove, but since my fools have no claw IAS, I don't think it works as I see no noticeable improvement in trap laying speed.
Given your experience with dueling, how important is faster trap laying speed? Should i sacrifice the +3LS in order to hit a faster bp?
With my fools and chaos, i did a quick test and can lay 11 traps per 5 secs, where as if I used 2 40ias greater talons, I can get 13 per 5 sec.

I guess basically what I am asking is: if you had to rate the following mods on a fools claw, how would your order them?
ED
IAS (for faster trap laying bps)
% OW (25 vs 50)
+LS

Or more specifically, would a 250ED/40% IAS/2os be superior to a 250ED/+LS/1os

Thanks again for the help, this is a great guide btw!

trap laying speed is very important, make sure you hit the bp.

if you wsm bug with a suwayyah chaos and runic fools the ias bp is 19ias.
as long as you have 19ias somewhere in your setup (highlords, helm sockets) that is not your offhand claw (chaos) you should have the bp.
if your trap speed seems slow you are wsm bugging wrong or something.

don't trust your eyes "counting" 11traps over 5 seconds, thats no way to test trap speed. 9fpa is the max speed, turn on bos (which will give you max speed if you dont have it) and cast traps, turn fade on and try again, if its really slower with fade then there is something wrong with your wsm bugging or you do not have that 19ias for the bp.

This post was edited by Ziecheik on Nov 21 2009 06:21pm
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#222
Nov 21 2009 06:44pm
Quote (HLK @ Nov 21 2009 04:09pm)
Sorry for all the questions, but making my first hybrid sin and still had some missing info after reading a couple of guides.
I tried wsm glitching with fools over boot and chaos over glove, but since my fools have no claw IAS, I don't think it works as I see no noticeable improvement in trap laying speed.
Given your experience with dueling, how important is faster trap laying speed? Should i sacrifice the +3LS in order to hit a faster bp?
With my fools and chaos, i did a quick test and can lay 11 traps per 5 secs, where as if I used 2 40ias greater talons, I can get 13 per 5 sec.

I guess basically what I am asking is: if you had to rate the following mods on a fools claw, how would your order them?
ED
IAS (for faster trap laying bps)
% OW (25 vs 50)
+LS

Or more specifically, would a 250ED/40% IAS/2os be superior to a 250ED/+LS/1os

Thanks again for the help, this is a great guide btw!


What are the claw types you're using?
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Nov 21 2009 06:49pm
Quote (HLK @ 21 Nov 2009 18:09)
Sorry for all the questions, but making my first hybrid sin and still had some missing info after reading a couple of guides.
I tried wsm glitching with fools over boot and chaos over glove, but since my fools have no claw IAS, I don't think it works as I see no noticeable improvement in trap laying speed.
Given your experience with dueling, how important is faster trap laying speed? Should i sacrifice the +3LS in order to hit a faster bp?
With my fools and chaos, i did a quick test and can lay 11 traps per 5 secs, where as if I used 2 40ias greater talons, I can get 13 per 5 sec.

I guess basically what I am asking is: if you had to rate the following mods on a fools claw, how would your order them?
ED
IAS (for faster trap laying bps)
% OW (25 vs 50)
+LS

Or more specifically, would a 250ED/40% IAS/2os be superior to a 250ED/+LS/1os

Thanks again for the help, this is a great guide btw!


You should NEVER go below 10 FPA trap laying speed, and TBH I've never had to go below 9 FPA trap laying on my sins.
Use a Highlords with Suwayyah/Runic WSM bugging and you'll have the maximum trap laying speed.
In this situation, the one with LS would be better considering you don't need the IAS.
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#224
Nov 21 2009 07:02pm
Quote (Bryant @ Nov 21 2009 07:44pm)
What are the claw types you're using?


My chaos are in a gts while the fools that have no on-claw ias are runics, so both -30 claws.

With no other IAS, the calculator from the link in the guide says that I have 10.25 FPA.
With 15% in helm (I can hel out the ber rune and socket with a 20life/15ias or 15res/15ias) it says I get 9.25.
With highlords (I'm currently using a 2 sin/fcr/str/res ammy) I get 8.75 FPA.

I am not sure how the decimals in the FPA work, do they always round up?
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#225
Nov 21 2009 07:23pm
Quote (HLK @ 21 Nov 2009 19:02)
My chaos are in a gts while the fools that have no on-claw ias are runics, so both -30 claws.

With no other IAS, the calculator from the link in the guide says that I have 10.25 FPA.
With 15% in helm (I can hel out the ber rune and socket with a 20life/15ias or 15res/15ias) it says I get 9.25.
With highlords (I'm currently using a 2 sin/fcr/str/res ammy) I get 8.75 FPA.

I am not sure how the decimals in the FPA work, do they always round up?


Calculators are so unecessary.
You can't WSM bug with 2 fast claws, you need a Suwayyah and Runic/GT MH.
2x -30 WSM Claws (GTs/Runics) requires 45% total IAS (can be obtained from anywhere except OH claw) 9 FPA. Non WSM bug
1x -30 WSM and 1x Suwayyah requires 20% total IAS for 9 FPA. WSM bug
This means that a great setup for any wwsin is Highlords (20% IAS), with a Suwayyah Chaos and Runic/GT MH claw, which is listed in the guide under example gear setups.
9 FPA is also the maximum trap laying speed, I believe some calculators say it is 7 FPA, but this is incorrect.

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#226
Nov 21 2009 11:21pm
Quote (young2093 @ Nov 21 2009 05:23pm)
Calculators are so unecessary.
You can't WSM bug with 2 fast claws, you need a Suwayyah and Runic/GT MH.
2x -30 WSM Claws (GTs/Runics) requires 45% total IAS (can be obtained from anywhere except OH claw) 9 FPA. Non WSM bug
1x -30 WSM and 1x Suwayyah requires 20% total IAS for 9 FPA. WSM bug
This means that a great setup for any wwsin is Highlords (20% IAS), with a Suwayyah Chaos and Runic/GT MH claw, which is listed in the guide under example gear setups.
9 FPA is also the maximum trap laying speed, I believe some calculators say it is 7 FPA, but this is incorrect.


Only if you've memorized all the speeds. For us it's not necessary, but for him it's pretty useful.

Quote (HLK @ Nov 21 2009 05:02pm)
My chaos are in a gts while the fools that have no on-claw ias are runics, so both -30 claws.

With no other IAS, the calculator from the link in the guide says that I have 10.25 FPA.
With 15% in helm (I can hel out the ber rune and socket with a 20life/15ias or 15res/15ias) it says I get 9.25.
With highlords (I'm currently using a 2 sin/fcr/str/res ammy) I get 8.75 FPA.

I am not sure how the decimals in the FPA work, do they always round up?


Diablo is bitchy. EVERYTHING rounds down, no matter how high of a decimal.
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#227
Nov 22 2009 04:07pm
Thanks guys, I think I understand the IAS reqs needed in each situation pretty well now.

The 1 last thing I was wondering is if you WSM bug with a slow chaos and fast fools, then that makes your chaos your main claw, correct?
If the bootside chaos becomes your main claw, then does gets the initial hit check for ww instead of the fools claw?
Or does the initial frame hit check for ww always go to gloveside weapon, regardless of whether that is your main or offhand claw?
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#228
Nov 22 2009 04:09pm
Quote (HLK @ Nov 22 2009 02:07pm)
Thanks guys, I think I understand the IAS reqs needed in each situation pretty well now.

The 1 last thing I was wondering is if you WSM bug with a slow chaos and fast fools, then that makes your chaos your main claw, correct?
If the bootside chaos becomes your main claw, then does gets the initial hit check for ww instead of the fools claw?
Or does the initial frame hit check for ww always go to gloveside weapon, regardless of whether that is your main or offhand claw?


If you WSM bug with slow chaos and fast fools, your primary claw is your fools. Slow claw goes on glove side.
Initial hitcheck always goes to your primary claw. In this case, it's your fools claw.
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#229
Nov 22 2009 04:14pm
Oh wow, I can't believe I forgot about that part... duh. Ok, thanks a lot!
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#230
Nov 22 2009 05:48pm
Ya, WSM bugging wouldn't be so hot if Fools wasn't the MH claw.
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