Um, i cant say i run into the town bear druid all that often really. I would say if you are really having issues just stay out of range of the bear as it will only wonder so far from the druid who casts it

Just some videos in case you were bored:

Trapper POV:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZpUIVEqjXzk

Zon POV:
http://media.putfile.com/hi-rodney
http://media.putfile.com/exeggutorrr


Let the flaming begin. : P

1) Well considering about 95% or more of the bowzons out there appear to be glass cannon build is would say comparing this build to a Glass Cannon build would be a fair thing to do. I don’t really have to time to do all of the calculations over again just for your bowzon right now. Maybe in the future or if you would like to do it feel free to post them here.

2) As ive explained before for certain dueling situations, i.e. zvz I use cta and a ss for that ability to block. But in a ZvA build you will only be dueling characters that can be blocked a small % of the time. If you want to focus on just dueling other amazons, then go for the ZvZ glass cannon build. But if you want to be able to duel a trapper, smiter, bowzon, barb, hammerdin, ele druid etc all without switching gear then this is the build for you. Also, my bo adds 1412 life, I would say that’s a pretty significant increase in life

3) Pretty easy, take a few dex charms, and put them on and see how much dmg it adds. Divide that by how much dex you added, that will give you the amount of dmg per point of dex. My initial calculation of 3dmg per 1 pt of dex was wrong simple because I put on a single dex charm and of course the game rounded down. After looking at it again I got a value of 3.8 to 1. My new calculations can be seen on page 9 of this thread.

4) True that the chances may not be THAT great of taking two hits in a row but if you don’t the fast you can get out of the hit recover animation the sooner you have to run, shoot or let a passive skill activate, all of which are better than being hit again :-/

5) I’ve tried to back up my beliefs with calculations and facts so they aren’t just opinion. I personally believe its worth giving up just a small % of your damage and stack speed to gain main times the amount of life, resistance, dr and fhr. I do less damage per hit but because of the build I am able to stay alive A LOT longer and therefore do much more damage in the end.

6) Ah yes the COA, it’s the most complained about piece of the item yet is probably the most important ITEM she wears. High str means lost stat points which less stats to put into vitality. This may seem contradictory but after you calculated it you realize you are giving up a small amount of your total life so you can take a lot less damage per hit due to the 15% dr and 30% res. The fhr and 2 sockets are also key components to getting all of the necessary break points. Another reason you also arnt loosing as much life as it may seem is because of the + 1 to skills which increase your BO level by one and will help out all of your passive skills. Something a 30% frw 3x 40/15 helm would not add.

7) I agree with that, however people who say to stack frw to 200+ are just insane. I encourage everyone building a character that needs frw to look at the graph on the first page and pick and reasonable speed you want to achieve that does require you to completely redesign your build. It really isn’t worth giving up massive amounts of life, resist, damage etc just to have a few more % on your run speed. For the average player I would recommend 100-150 frw. I personally use 115%

This post was edited by Spartikis on Jun 8 2008 03:44pm

mm i like this guide
ima gona try it out on with hero editor

95% of bowazons do 1.2k-7k at ~1k life at 7 fpa. at around lvl 85 anyways. You were too biased imo against glass cannons in your build.



haha i would actually say this build is better for zvz than zva if you use ss/titans on switch. You can't beat a decent smiter without lb even if you have 5k life <-especially with such little frw. I can beat 99% of hammerdins with 500 life =/. trappers, i can see how resist and life will help you, but 7 fpa is really needed vs good offensive trappers. 8 fpa is the biggest problem. Ele druid, same thing as trappers.



did you try using different bows? from what I know, it adds 1% ed.



But of course you must know about the wsg. if you acknowledge that your chances of not being hit next are higher, then wsg > fhr.



if you hit 5k @ 7 fpa @ 3k life, I think i'd say your build is G_G. You don't do much more damage in the end. lol. you run and shoot slower than an average zon. Its like: bear (vita build) vs cheetah (glass cannon). look @ #7.



i wasn't even thinking about a 120-45 helm. Shako. 2 skills, mass life, mass mana, 10 dr. while coa's stats are great, shako >>



170-115 = 55/3 = 18 x 20 = 360.

That means i can hit 1.8k~1.9k life @ 6k ga @ 7 fpa. without bo of course.

edit: hmm i thought you would at least say sorry about the dueling strats..

This post was edited by manduki on Jun 8 2008 04:44pm

I think i was more than fair when i said they average glass cannon zon has 1k life and 6.5k dmg. If they have more than that they usually have alot less life. I cant do calcs for EVERY possibility. If you want them then do them yourself.

You say 7 fps shot rate with no life and high dmg is most important, i say 8 fps with high life and lower damage. Which is better? well theres no real scientific way to prove this and in the end its your personal preference to which build you use.

No i didn't try different every bow possible, my build was built around GMB, if you want calculations for every bows you can do it yourself, i just choose the most common one.

I prefer my "bear" vita build lol, i like to be able to take a few hits even if it means i do a little less damage. If people like to run around with 7kdmg and 700 life go for it, just don't complain when you get stomped in one hit every duel!

Shako is a decent helm but doesn't have 2 sockets or fhr, all of which are vital to reach the proper break points for this build. For another build shako may be the perfect helm, but for this one it isnt. I welcome anyone to build a character around it, post it and do all the calculations that i did to show how its superior, i would love to see someone put as much time into the calculations as i have. But the only thing ive seen is little bitches who cant deal with the fact that there may be multiple ways to build a bowzon, possible even BETTER WAYS

im sure you zon is very nice, most likely doesn't follow the cookie cutter build i imagine. Seems to have good damage and 7fps, life is ok but having 30res all isn't something i would be to excited about as i ran dodging fire ball or lit traps. Also our build will vary just based on the fact that i have placed a greater emphasis on such things as fhr. No two people are the same and no two characters are the same. Whats good for me may not be good for you, the only thing you can do is give it a try. I know many people who have tried this build and all of them were happy with it in the end. I cant guarantee the same results for everyone but it does seem to be rather common.

And to all of the people who post here about failing or the build being crap, i honestly don't see how you can offer insight on a build you have never tried or even bothered to put more than 30sec of thought into. To this day i have build almost a dozen different variations of bow amazons since the 1.08 patch. In the end this is the build i have come to love the most. Like any build i has its weak points but i believe it offers the best possible well rounded zon for public and ZvA dueling that is just not seen in the other builds available out there. It may not have the most damage or shoot the fastest but with massive life, dr, resistance and fhr you wont be dieing in one hit!

by no means am i saying that your build is shit or not worth making. I'm just questioning certain choices like fhr and 8 fpa.

I think you accept that your zon is not perfect and so is open for criticism.

I'm not asking you to do calculations for every possible build. I'm questioning the statements you posted in your thread and asking for further information. If you don't have it, thats fine.

Finally, my VERY first fort zon (right after ladder converted over), had 7k damage with 1k life. This was with welfare gear, worth less than 1k fg today.

I just didn't like the idea that you seem to be labouring under the notion that your build is better than the glass cannon.

P.S. Obviously you didn't think I was a little bitch when you copied my dueling strategies. As I'm sure you know, I have an updated guide there. Feel free to provide your insight.

(I've also made a vita zon. So i tried it. I have put more than 30 secs while i was building that zon. I think i can provide insight on this build).

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PM this guy and tell him you want it stickied

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