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Jan 15 2010 01:34pm
Quote (Ziecheik @ 15 Jan 2010 19:46)
imho: (again with the arbitrary numbers, but these are ones that look right to me, this is only concerning 1v1 duels)
Dealing with pub trash players a druid:trap matchup may look like 1:9 or so.
With more competent league players, wsging and so on, the matchup may look more like 3:7 or 4:6, with the trapper needing to be very careful not to overstep his bounds in the duel and the druid being careful not to get caught in hard locks. Not an impossible duel for either side given both players are competent, but it still favors the trapper imo.
With really exceptional players the duel starts to drag out longer and imo starts to swing back 3:7 or 2:8 (a little extreme, but somewhat accurate for me anyway) in the trapper's direction.


The match-up chart which it was based off had match-up numbers based off top level play. But yeah in any game the difference between low level and high level play can change a match-up around completely, a lot of a bowazon's matchups are like this.


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Yes ty. Even 5.5:4.5 is a matchup ratio that fighting game players can say "I'll just play this straight and win by class advantage" But then.. fighting game class advantage is very different from d2 class advantage, with d2 characters being flexible in setup and built differently for different perks, as well as their being hard counters to classes in d2 which shouldn't be existent in any balanced fighting game.


yeah I know you do haha. I'm not sure if you can say fighting game char advantage and d2 class advantages are really different (in a 1v1 gm situation anyway, pubs is a completely different matter) since we should really be assuming that both chars are geared as best as possible to beat the other class. The only thing that is really an issue imo is block differences since block is a ridiculously significant difference. There are loads of hard counters in this game, but if we're just looking to sort out advantages in a statistical table then it's nothing to worry about; just imput the numbers in.
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Jan 15 2010 01:38pm
Quote (young2093 @ Jan 15 2010 02:23pm)
Holy essay batman.
I find that I can't do well against a good druid without moving around in camp fields to be honest.


I feel the same way on a hybrid.
The slower fcr, non maxed mb, and significantly lower dmg really evens the playing field between a hybrid and a druid imo.
Ofc a pub druid is gonna get 5-0'd, but a druid who knows what he's doing can do very well against a hybrid.
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Jan 15 2010 02:00pm
Quote (SymphonicX @ 15 Jan 2010 13:38)
I feel the same way on a hybrid.
The slower fcr, non maxed mb, and significantly lower dmg really evens the playing field between a hybrid and a druid imo.
Ofc a pub druid is gonna get 5-0'd, but a druid who knows what he's doing can do very well against a hybrid.


Ugh, TBH, that's a whole different story. I feel ridiculously comfortable on a WWsin against a Druid. They really can't do much at all.
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Jan 15 2010 02:55pm
I hate chasing Druids, just let them come to you.
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Jan 15 2010 04:24pm
Quote (TheGine @ 15 Jan 2010 22:55)
I hate chasing Druids, just let them come to you.
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Jan 15 2010 05:32pm
Quote (young2093 @ Jan 15 2010 03:00pm)
Ugh, TBH, that's a whole different story. I feel ridiculously comfortable on a WWsin against a Druid. They really can't do much at all.


meh, i always had a lot of problems vs top druids with my hybrid,
but maybe they'd be easier for me because I've gotten considerably better at chainlocking with dclaw since i've had my ghost.
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Jan 15 2010 08:47pm
Quote (SymphonicX @ Jan 15 2010 03:32pm)
meh, i always had a lot of problems vs top druids with my hybrid,
but maybe they'd be easier for me because I've gotten considerably better at chainlocking with dclaw since i've had my ghost.


How the hell do you have problems hybrid vs druid??
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Jan 15 2010 08:48pm
Quote (Bryant @ 16 Jan 2010 04:47)
How the hell do you have problems hybrid vs druid??
yea lol.. as long as you dont mass suicide ww you have got to ehmm do something wrong to have problems with dudu
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Jan 15 2010 09:01pm
Quote (franek @ Jan 15 2010 06:48pm)
yea lol.. as long as you dont mass suicide ww you have got to ehmm do something wrong to have problems with dudu


I've actually done that and beat druids.
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Jan 15 2010 09:19pm
Quote (SymphonicX @ 15 Jan 2010 17:32)
meh, i always had a lot of problems vs top druids with my hybrid,
but maybe they'd be easier for me because I've gotten considerably better at chainlocking with dclaw since i've had my ghost.


You can fuck up too easily with DClaw. Lock him and tri whirl, gamed.
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