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Jan 14 2010 06:21pm
Quote (drt1245 @ Jan 15 2010 01:20am)
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wut does the numbers mean
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Quote (sylvannos @ 15 Jan 2010 01:05)
Eh the problem is that I'm no expert in all classes.

For example, I've never piloted bone necro in pvp, only against them. I don't have the authority or experience to write a guide explaining methods on playing them.


well basics I mean like all the top tier classes. like nec vs sin is 6:4 or 7:3 (debatable), nec vs druid is roughly the same but in druid's favour. Vit Necs beat barbs slightly but mb necs destroy them.

Quote (Holocauster_Tycoon @ 15 Jan 2010 01:13)
there has been a tier list a while ago which was good.


tier list is different though :p

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I think that list is terrible really :/. Numbers are way too exaggerated.

Quote (mamllee @ 15 Jan 2010 01:21)
wut does the numbers mean


If 2 people of equal skill played those chars the number is the amount of matches that class would win out of 10.

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Jan 14 2010 06:28pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Jan 14 2010 04:21pm)
well basics I mean like all the top tier classes. like nec vs sin is 6:4 or 7:3 (debatable), nec vs druid is roughly the same but in druid's favour. Vit Necs beat barbs slightly but mb necs destroy them.



tier list is different though :p



I think that list is terrible really :/. Numbers are way too exaggerated.



If 2 people of equal skill played those chars the number is the amount of matches that class would win out of 10.


It's an ok list...haven't seen that before myself :O

My only problem is that some things shouldn't even be on there (lol they tested poison necros and warcry barbs?)

I was thinking more of a breakdown of why certain classes perform stronger based upon the gear available, skills, and stats.

For example, ghost sin has a hard time vs. bvc because the bvc has a higher level of battle orders and life.
Therefore, the barb has a distinct advantage, even if both players are of equal skill and characters are of equal value.

I'm not sure if I could (or not even just me) pinpoint examples like this for each class/build.
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Jan 14 2010 06:30pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Jan 14 2010 07:21pm)
I think that list is terrible really :/. Numbers are way too exaggerated


I agree it's not the greatest, but it's significantly better than most could come up with. (like hammerdins and hybridsins aren't absurdly overrated)
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Jan 14 2010 06:38pm
Quote (drt1245 @ 15 Jan 2010 01:30)
I agree it's not the greatest, but it's significantly better than most could come up with. (like hammerdins and hybridsins aren't absurdly overrated)


Most of the advantages are correct, just stupidly out of proportion.

Quote (sylvannos @ 15 Jan 2010 01:28)
It's an ok list...haven't seen that before myself :O

My only problem is that some things shouldn't even be on there (lol they tested poison necros and warcry barbs?)

I was thinking more of a breakdown of why certain classes perform stronger based upon the gear available, skills, and stats.

For example, ghost sin has a hard time vs. bvc because the bvc has a higher level of battle orders and life.
Therefore, the barb has a distinct advantage, even if both players are of equal skill and characters are of equal value.

I'm not sure if I could (or not even just me) pinpoint examples like this for each class/build.


Look how ridiculously exaggerated some of the match-ups are. Trap vs Windy is 9:1, seriously? Whereas Zealot vs Trap is 5:5 and Windy druids do better vs Trappers than Zealots do. Smite vs Zon is nowhere near 8:2 (this is the same number they gave Smite vs Javazon...). There's a lot to be desired.
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Jan 14 2010 06:41pm
Quote (Tails chao @ Jan 14 2010 07:38pm)
Look how ridiculously exaggerated some of the match-ups are. Trap vs Windy is 9:1, seriously? Whereas Zealot vs Trap is 5:5 and Windy druids do better vs Trappers than Zealots do. Smite vs Zon is nowhere near 8:2 (this is the same number they gave Smite vs Javazon...). There's a lot to be desired.


I think that trap vs windy is about a 9. I guess I'd say there's a pretty sharp curve, where a very good windy can beat a quite good trapsin, but a very good trapsin will destroy a very good wind druid.
It's not easy, but it's a pretty damn big advantage.

Zealot vs trap should be trap's advantage, though. Max block or ww away>
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lol chart says a ghost has an equal difficulty dueling bvc as it does dueling trapper
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Quote (Spitfire87 @ Jan 14 2010 07:48pm)
lol chart says a ghost has an equal difficulty dueling bvc as it does dueling trapper
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It does.
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Jan 14 2010 06:53pm
Quote (drt1245 @ Jan 14 2010 07:49pm)
It does.


ghost v trap is fairly even
ghost v bvc is not
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Jan 14 2010 06:55pm
Quote (Spitfire87 @ Jan 14 2010 04:53pm)
ghost v trap is fairly even
ghost v bvc is not


ghost vs. trap is ridiculously uphill for the ghost...

My top-five worst matchups on ghost are something like:

1) BvC
2) Trapper
3) Hybrid
4) V/T
5) BM bone necro

edit: nvm just bone necro in general lol

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