Nice! But 2os is super important to reach the IAS bp!

I meant 2ama/2jav/30ias javelin
With Shadow/Diamond 30ias enough to hit 9fpa on jav side

So what's the marginal utility traded off between a pure tele bowazon and an osama in 2.4?
Itemization can be almost completely identical with a rare circlet build, really just swapping 2 passive for 2 java gloves. Then its just 8-9x max gcs for 8-9x java gcs, and swapping skills around. So you stand to lose up to 45 average base damage and +2 P&M, then when statting 40 skill points into plague/poison java you're losing that from D/A/E+crit. Now those max gcs aren't inconsiderable, 45 average is a chunk when a faith shadow has 164 avg and war travs 20. You can include 3 max scs, where I'd always favor life/resist, but say you did 10x +3, that's the difference of up to 244 vs 199 base damage. With that and crit, probably 2/3 the bow damage on a hybrid as on a pure telebow. In exchange for getting a plague that against the average 75% resist -100% plr opponent deals 277 HP/s for 24 seconds with only 1 cd (from 164 hp/s for 42.8s and 4 cd in 1.14)

Anyway there's the tradeoff. 2/3 the damage and less DAE, vs a really busted plague
also, +11 java skills makes a nice difference to a 1 point impale for telestomping.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 13 2022 02:01am

At the time of writing this guide, plague was bm in the tournament league I played in. It has since been allowed, and all my twitch viewers know me for having 2 zons, a reg telebowa and a plague/telebowa, but I just turned the regular bowa into a plague bowa (46k plague, 3.5k guided before patch, same bow dmg just less passives essentially) and my other zon is now a tele CS zon with 32k plague hehe. Might level her up a few lvls and make her have 1 pt bow skills.

This post was edited by ceejay3 on Apr 13 2022 02:29am

Oooo any phys dmg?

Yeah I guess you aren't obligated to trade max for java gcs, you can still maintain full bow damage. To put numbers to it, if -9 max gcs is something like -30% bow damage, then -9 skillers is something like -33% plague dps, and some duration now, though you'll still probably one-hit everyone in its max duration either way so that's probably not as relevant. There's an argument to made either way. Max gcs also add damage to lightning fury, while java gcs will add more damage to impale and some light damage on fury but still probably not enough to kill summons after the 2.4 buff to wolves. You'd want java gloves either way, since P&M is such low returns by comparison to either of those.

I suppose there's an argument that if plague is enough damage to one-hit people, being -33% dps isn't as big a drop as -30% to bow damage that needs to stack up per arrow instead of a single tap
and that 1 point impale is going to be a game changer even on a pure bowa no java gc matchup, I think its probably 4k+ damage.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 13 2022 02:54am

Unfortunately only half of non-eth and non-upped Titans. But I can still up them once. Then max dmg should be around 110ish. So like I said - only plague purpose.

Yeah I’ve swore on impale even before it’s buff on d2r, I beat a lot of zons when they go to jab me because impale currently always hits despite being super slow.

Max plague with java gcs is frowned upon in gm duels as it’s looked at as being cheese. Because it’s so strong. Not to mention it’s harder for people to gear to negate poison AND block/DR. With java gcs, the arrow damage on tooltip is like less than 2k, where as I can get 3.5k to 4k guided with damage charms. And 46k plague still gets everyone to 1hp anyways even with PLR haha. Whether you run the build I’m using or go full osama, zons are about to be soooo freakin good.

Ahh okay, this kind of javelin is nice for my other zon build, which is also getting a buff in 2.4, a tele cs java zon with plague. The build I’m gonna run will have just under 10k CS with 31k plague dmg. No bow tho. You can use a bow if you sacrifice nearly 2k CS tho

In either case, 8k cs 31k plague and some ranged arrows is very nice too

What kind of plague damage does 9 skillers and jav gloves do? I like the idea of being more bow focused with a threatening plague than being more plague focused with bow to finish or tickle to bring the enemy in, but I’m wondering if it would be worth it to buy skillers and jav gloves just for some occasional pub cheese.