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Nov 18 2021 02:54pm
Quote (Footspeedy @ 18 Nov 2021 15:40)
Any math on merc attack rating available? I know you're using Demon Limb for the AR so I'm wondering if you've actually looked into it. Wondering if getting Emilio a Visionary circlet might be worth it for effective DPS, but I can't find any info on Merc Attack rating.


You wouldn't necessarily see it reflected on the sheet DPS, but yes: a Visionary modifier is worth a bit under half of what Demon Limb provides in terms of AR boost.
Problem is getting the Visionary mod alongside ANOTHER relevant modifier.

Visionary Diadem of Wealth (80% Goldfind) with 2 sockets would be sweet, since it lets you put in 2x 15/40IAS for the breakpoints!
I would not run a plain Visionary circlet over just hitting an extra IAS breakpoint from Andariel's Visage + its Life Leech, though. But if you tell me I can get Visionary + 80% Goldfind and still hit 30IAS/80ED from the jewels, well...

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Nov 18 2021 04:25pm
Still interested if there's actual Attack Rating math I can look at (% chance for merc to hit Council, etc) that exists somewhere. I've looked online and I can't seem to find anything.

I was looking at DMG calculations trying to boost my damage as high as possible and also landed on the Triple Jewel Circlet (2x 40/15 1x 40Demon/30ED) and noticed that Jeweler's/Artisan's Tiara of the Lamprey (8%LL) seem like good alternatives to the gold find Diadem (since gold find on the merc doesn't work for Find Item) and Life Leech is quite good on the merc. Then I managed to gamble a Visionary Circlet of the 8% Leech and I got curious how it would compare with 2 40/Demon15s in it with a Visionary Mod vs a ~70% Demon ed% jewel. Without seeing the actual math it's hard for me to commit to socketing it (that's even if Lazruk decides to be good to me) so it would be nice to find actual math somewhere.
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Nov 18 2021 04:28pm
Quote (Footspeedy @ 18 Nov 2021 17:25)
Still interested if there's actual Attack Rating math I can look at (% chance for merc to hit Council, etc) that exists somewhere. I've looked online and I can't seem to find anything.

I was looking at DMG calculations trying to boost my damage as high as possible and also landed on the Triple Jewel Circlet (2x 40/15 1x 40Demon/30ED) and noticed that Jeweler's/Artisan's Tiara of the Lamprey (8%LL) seem like good alternatives to the gold find Diadem (since gold find on the merc doesn't work for Find Item) and Life Leech is quite good on the merc. Then I managed to gamble a Visionary Circlet of the 8% Leech and I got curious how it would compare with 2 40/Demon15s in it with a Visionary Mod vs a ~70% Demon ed% jewel. Without seeing the actual math it's hard for me to commit to socketing it (that's even if Lazruk decides to be good to me) so it would be nice to find actual math somewhere.


There is, yes.

A naked Merc vs. Toorc Icefist has 1803 Attack Rating (39% hit chance)
Level 24 Jab (base 23+1 from Battle Orders) gives 217% Attack Rating (68% hit chance then)

You can mess with all the variables, gear, etc over here.
This is a link to my current Barb/Merc setup: https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/fq0106r3#1

Feel free to make your own profile.

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Nov 18 2021 04:53pm
It looks like the calculator does take into account %chance to hit and the visionary mod. Looks like Visionary is very comparable to the 3rd Jewel Slot. Makes me wonder if the ideal circlet is actually a rare 2 OS Visionary with 2x 40/15s.
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Nov 18 2021 05:03pm
Quote (Footspeedy @ 18 Nov 2021 17:53)
It looks like the calculator does take into account %chance to hit and the visionary mod. Looks like Visionary is very comparable to the 3rd Jewel Slot. Makes me wonder if the ideal circlet is actually a rare 2 OS Visionary with 2x 40/15s.


3os of Wealth with 2x 15/40 and a 40ED/30GF is better if only because the efficiency difference between it and Visionary alone is nowhere near big enough to warrant dropping 110% Goldfind (effective 68% or so) if you're already at that point in your min-maxing.

But yes, Visionary of Wealth 2os with 2x15/40s would be fantastic!

Technically we could even get a Rare Circlet with more mods and 2os, I guess. I've messed with those before, using unlikely 40ED/30Demons/30Goldfind imaginary jewels



This post was edited by Exokek on Nov 18 2021 05:18pm
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Nov 18 2021 07:37pm
Yeah, hypothetically we could use this, socketed with two of...that



It's quite a circlet to behold.

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Nov 19 2021 02:45am
I'm still debating rather to use gravel or stick with harmony bow for switch, I run soo much faster from start to council and save the time I need to repair every 3 run. I mean I was doing it pretty fast even with out gravel of pain, its to a point where I have to wait between making game most of the time lol.
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I'm still debating rather to use gravel or stick with harmony bow for switch, I run soo much faster from start to council and save the time I need to repair every 3 run. I mean I was doing it pretty fast even with out gravel of pain, its to a point where I have to wait between making game most of the time lol.


Yeah, the timer seems to be weighted towards 80 seconds again :(

I've added Pindle & Frigid friends to the run at this point; for pure Goldfind it might be time to bring out the 3k+ goldfind Nightmare farm rofl
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Nov 19 2021 06:52am
Quote (Exokek @ Nov 19 2021 03:49am)
Yeah, the timer seems to be weighted towards 80 seconds again :(

I've added Pindle & Frigid friends to the run at this point; for pure Goldfind it might be time to bring out the 3k+ goldfind Nightmare farm rofl


yeah with this timer im still rocking cot/wealth on merc - when/if the timer goes away I'll look to upgrade to what you've suggested here to give it a try. nice guide, thanks.
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Nov 19 2021 03:15pm
Quote (SkyQ8 @ 19 Nov 2021 07:52)
yeah with this timer im still rocking cot/wealth on merc - when/if the timer goes away I'll look to upgrade to what you've suggested here to give it a try. nice guide, thanks.


I know it's an irrelevant sidenote, but I decided to test a funny setup for Nightmare earlier, using a 6-socket Superior Eth Ghost Spear: https://d2.maxroll.gg/d2planner/dp0106zf#12

This gives the Merc with a sheet 3590% Goldfind (2690% on Barb, "effective 600%" on Merc in reality)
The Merc actually clears NM farm within the timer limit (obviously), without ever really getting in danger. Seems more useful and fun than the usual Tomb Reaver garbage.

I wouldn't recommend this dumb setup, but... yeah.

Sadly, the average gold from NM is still much lower than Hell with that setup :(

This post was edited by Exokek on Nov 19 2021 03:16pm
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