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Jan 24 2007 01:16am
Quote (Trae8 @ Tue, Jan 23 2007, 10:58pm)
You guys are terrible at trash talking. Only Giff is marginally funny, the rest of you should stick to lying about your non existant characters, because flaming isn't working for you. I'll spell it out for you guys though, since none of you seem to have a WW sin or a Smiter i'll help you out. WW sins are superior to WW barbs when it comes to fighting against smiters for several reasons:

1) Stun locks. By far the single biggest reason why fighting smiters is made easier for sins. If you know how to stun lock effectively, the smiter can barely attack.

2) Weapon block. about 60% basically means 60% more survivability. Barbs don't have even close to 60% more life then WW sins, so overall WW sins can tank smiters way better then ww barbs ever can.

3) More attack rating and more open wounds by ONLY wearing a fools claw and gore riders. Both do nothing but improve the build. Barbs need to give up so much to come close to the attack rating and open wounds that a Sin can get with total ease. Barbs need angelics, draculs and gore riders to get it. This means, no highlords ammy, no Fcr at all, no mana at all for WW'ing, it's a big sacrifice to even come close to a sins stats. Plus, the sin can then just put on angelics and again not lose much of anything and slaughter a barbs attack rating.

4) Fade. It makes life tap disappear 4 times faster. You just WW away till it's gone.

5) Starting with shadow master gives you a HUGE advantage. All you gotta do is lay traps, Shadow will take care of the initial mind blast. After that she dies in 1 hit and you won't be re-casting her because of life tap danger.

6) Many types of damage. Physical, Venom, Open wounds, and maybe lightning if you're a hybrid. Depending on what type of sin you use, the physical damage can actually be quite significant. Of course pre-buffed venom is huge, and open wounds is high aswell, and hybrids can achieve some nice light sentry damage.  Pally's can't negate it all.

7) A ranged attack. Having blade fury assures that the smiter can't just stand and tele smite.

8) Mind blast as an offensive skill. Of course its a stun lock skill, but it can be used offensively aswell since the damage isn't too bad on it if you mash it down on someone. Sometimes you can chip away quite a bit of their life in a duel with just annoying repetative mind blasting and trapping, very funny stuff.

9) Armor switches if needed. Sins can either wear enigma as usual for the mobility. Or if the smiter isn't wearing any poison negating items, they can wear bramble and just overpower the smiter. If the smiter is wearing poison negating items, WW sins can still throw on fortitude and boost up physical damage even more (i'll screenshot my sin with fortitude on, you'll be surprised at the damage smile.gif )

10) Cloak of shadows. Knocks off about 3k defense from the smiter and adds to the sins defense lol. Not much, but every little bit counts hehe

11) Blade shield. Gives an additional chance to proc venom and open wounds if a smiter was dumb enough to try tele smite vs a WW sin.


Overall, Barbs just can't compare to WW sins when dealing with smiters. Usually barbs vs smiters is a pretty close duel. If the smiter is prepared and good, he should win. If he isn't, the barb will overpower him. But man, smiters vs WW sins come on... You'd have to be pretty bad at playing sins to give up such an advantage and actually lose consistantly. You have the advantage, use it lol


again everything you write makes it painfully obvious you never dueled any _real_ telesmiter. just average pubtrash who try to teleport lol. gz for beating those.

why post more lies? post a screen of your wwsin that has 30k ar and 40/65 open wounds with fools claw. no angelics. please do it kid.

again you're blabbering about poison/lightning damage. doesn't work vs anyone non-retarded sorry.

even mentioning slow-ass blade fury proves i am right. see sentence #1. and you go on and on listing like ten completely irrelevant insignificant "advantages" like blade shield and cloak of shadows lol.

wwsin vs top smiter goes like this:
$ smiter vigor desynchs. smiter closes and look for opening to telesmite. once the first teleport-animation is complete its game over. wwsin will get hit, slowed, holy freezed, ww-in-place, immobile and prone for continous telesmites until dead. if mindblasted (highly unlikely since he hasn't appeared on screen and no shadow) just desynch-in-sins-face-smite. if wwsin is extremely lucky she will predict this and be able to ww away at the right time/direction and even hit the smiter with insignificant damage. smiter will then regroup with medi until full life (with wwsins laughable damage this takes short time) and restart attack-sequence (i.e. start re-reading at $). there is nothing wwsins can do about this. there is no way to continously get lucky predicting exactly in what direction to whirl, smiter could be anywhere.


now answer why you think speederländer developed a new build/strat just for fightning smiters. is it because he's a shitty player who cant use his wwsin correctly? please?

it's easy to notice two things when playing sins; stunlock doesn't work vs smiters and you whirl so laughably slow that smiters can charge up to you and hit you with smite while you are whirling away. but apart from that and their horrible damage they're awesome. they do actually have better survivability than barbs, i believe i wrote that before. two times. or three.
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Jan 24 2007 01:20am
Quote (Trae8 @ Tue, Jan 23 2007, 11:41pm)
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Answer for once; how many smiters have you duelled that GIFF mentioned?


Never seen a smiter yet with 60k defense wearing enigma, so I guess i'll have to say none smile.gif But if you mean tele smiters that use slow gear, i've dueled my share. It's not wise to tele smite a good WW sin though unless you want to eat WW's and be easy stun locked. But hey, do what you do


as i thought. no highdef anti-melee smiters. no real telesmiters (sorry for not talking about 0% fcr pubtrash). noone who knows how to use holy freeze correctly. now tell me why you think wwsins hit more than barbs when smiters tele on top. barbs have better range and usually way higher ar (since you seem content with your shitty fools claw alone) and waaay more damage. they also are able to move out of the way at least some of the time, unlike 30frw jokesins who ww-in-place 24/7.

and never losing to a smiter on west doesnt mean shit, none of their top barbs ever lost a series of duels despite your highly theoretical claims that smiters should have the advantage.
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Jan 24 2007 02:34am
Well look dude, i'm sorry you find smiters so hard to duel. Chances are your sin needs a better build, better gear, and you need time to develop better skills. Maybe instead of bitching so much, you should post up your assassin build and gear etc so everyone can try to help you get better. But basically if your build is good all you have to do is stay WW'ing as much as possible. There's no need to predict or time WW's perfectly or any of that. Just stay WW'ing as much as possible. Drop a trap or two every 5 seconds, mind blast the smiter once every 10 seconds, and basically just stay WW'ing. It's not that tough. If your a barb and smiters are slowing you and beating you, you can always life tap them to even the playing field.

So chill out, post your sin, and lets see exactly what the problem is. There's gotta be something wrong if your getting raped by smiters, maybe I can help ya smile.gif
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Jan 24 2007 03:01am
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I knew you'd skim and misquote, next?
What exactly did I misquote?

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But basically if your build is good all you have to do is stay WW'ing as much as possible. There's no need to predict or time WW's perfectly or any of that. Just stay WW'ing as much as possible. Drop a trap or two every 5 seconds, mind blast the smiter once every 10 seconds, and basically just stay WW'ing. It's not that tough
Wow, you are stubborn;
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you whirl so laughably slow that smiters can charge up to you and hit you with smite while you are whirling away.


Im starting to wonder wheter you actually read anything. It's like you are living up to "I r bestest, you are noob, you are wrong, I am right... no matter what".

This post was edited by Incompetence on Jan 24 2007 03:11am
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Jan 24 2007 03:20am
Hey i'm just offering up some help here lol. If he posts his assassin and explains how he is currently fighting duels against smiters i'm sure we can easily figure out what the problem is. That goes for the rest of the people here who are having trouble with smiters. If you have a problem, don't just give in and say smiters are impossible, seek help. Post your builds, post screenies, explain your tactics. I think it's the best way to improve, to get over this whole fear of smiters thing you guys got going on...
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Jan 24 2007 03:21am
Answer my question. What did I misquote?

I don't need any help, ty.
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Jan 24 2007 03:29am
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Hey i'm just offering up some help here lol.  If he posts his assassin and explains how he is currently fighting duels against smiters i'm sure we can easily figure out what the problem is.  That goes for the rest of the people here who are having trouble with smiters.  If you have a problem, don't just give in and say smiters are impossible, seek help.  Post your builds, post screenies, explain your tactics.  I think it's the best way to improve, to get over this whole fear of smiters thing you guys got going on...


u are just ultra arrogant jerk who has never dueled anyone good , stop dream that mb and pathetic psn dmg will save ur sin from 45k def, all time liftaping smiter while u try ww away with ur 0 speed , even more if u think u can use blade fury vs smiter assures me that u never met a good smiter and u know a shit about that game.
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Jan 24 2007 03:45am
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Quote (Trae8 @ Wed, Jan 24 2007, 09:20am)
Hey i'm just offering up some help here lol.  If he posts his assassin and explains how he is currently fighting duels against smiters i'm sure we can easily figure out what the problem is.  That goes for the rest of the people here who are having trouble with smiters.  If you have a problem, don't just give in and say smiters are impossible, seek help.  Post your builds, post screenies, explain your tactics.  I think it's the best way to improve, to get over this whole fear of smiters thing you guys got going on...


u are just ultra arrogant jerk who has never dueled anyone good , stop dream that mb and pathetic psn dmg will save ur sin from 45k def, all time liftaping smiter while u try ww away with ur 0 speed , even more if u think u can use blade fury vs smiter assures me that u never met a good smiter and u know a shit about that game.


PvP-Forums is the appropiate place to ravish English until your shaft is sore.

Hmmm, my hybrid has only problems with duelling those Smiters that statted 20 points in Resist Lightning... The rest is most of the time, easy garbage.

I never duelled a good tele-smiter before, though. R DEY TUFF???
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Jan 24 2007 03:45am
ya, I wouldn't really want to help you guys anyway, although you all desperately need it. OH NOES, the scary smiters are coming... AHHH what is my WW sin to do... I can't win... ahhhh 45k def, now what shit i'm fucked... ahhhh... unhostile unhostile pls, Smiter pweese unhostile me, I can't beat you... ahhh you too good smile.gif
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ya, I wouldn't really want to help you guys anyway, although you all desperately need it. OH NOES, the scary smiters are coming... AHHH what is my WW sin to do... I can't win... ahhhh 45k def, now what shit i'm fucked... ahhhh... unhostile unhostile pls, Smiter pweese unhostile me, I can't beat you... ahhh you too good smile.gif


Nice defense-mechanism. You're cornered, and about to turned around while your little skirt is lifted.
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