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Sep 5 2004 07:33am
And why doesn't this build use a storm hide? would that be better to use then a maras?
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Sep 5 2004 10:17am
i would edit but i can't, i don't see how u could get full dr off fade with only 5 shadow gc's.

EDIT: and did i mess up this build casue right now with anni/maras/shako i'm look at adding 58 stat points to strenght. and like 38 dex. thats alot of stat points.

This post was edited by stoop14 on Sep 5 2004 10:23am
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Sep 5 2004 10:25am
ok, some thought i have on the guide
my ele druid has killed any ww assn crossed pk so far
my 5.5k def 75% blocker cold sorcy has killed any ww assn crossed pk so far (unless they hella absorb)
my psn/summon nec has killed any ww assn crossed pk so far wit summon+iron
my hammerdin with 125% fcr has killed almost all ww assn so far (1 wit fire traps stunn'd me)
my ww barb has killed any assn crossed pk so far (duh, ww vs ww tongue.gif)

beginning to wander if they really own, so this is what i might do on my assn
-20 venom
-1 bos
-enough skill to fade for dr
-1 claw mastery? (i dont think you can kill any godly smiter with 21k ar if they have 40k
not sure on what rest of the skill will go into

as for my gears, im still decidin, can you use maras for venom, then switch to another ammy when pking? will the psn damg remain? if so then i wont make chaos out of my +3 venom suwayyah, might use marrowalk for its life tap, high kick damg, or might upgrade an imp.

some thing im usein for sure
5/5 psn shako
bitter hold ring
raven frost ring
35/15 verdungo
glove wit 30% fhr or trang glove dependin if venom count as pre-cast or not
maras or a good crafted assn ammy
chaos+fury (not sure what claws to make out of yet, dependin if venom=pre-cast or not)
edit: woot, 2700th post

This post was edited by mc_bee on Sep 5 2004 10:33am
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Sep 9 2004 01:42pm
See, this is the problem with forums. Since there are always new people, the old stuff that has been discussed always gets lost in the frey. Well, since i'm back for a few minutes trolling I mine as well comment on that last one. I have no doubt at all that you haven't lost to WW sins with those characters your listing, but your overlooking the one factor that is the most important. Obviously the WW sins your dueling sucked.

The fact is, I challenged this entire forum for 3 months straight, accepted all challenges, and went undefeated vs everyone. I didn't duel WW barbs because of course I'll admit to not being able to beat good ones. As for the other characters you listed, the best dueling blizzy's, windies, and hammerdins in the best clans were beaten with ease... You just have to have faith that if you make it right, and play it right, you wont' lose to them ever again. As for smiters and zealots, your wrong. In fact, THEY have no chance vs WW sins, not the other way around. Gauss even made SP smiters and zealots at lvl 99 and gave them perfect gear, stats, skills, and then he fought with it vs my "realm" copied assassin. He lost every time. So basically, that argument is long since closed. I don't care how good yours is, it's not good enough. Even SP edited lvl 99's can't beat WW sins. That discussion is over. WW sins own smiters and zealots, Period... (well, bramble using ww sins anyway)

To everyone else in the last 5 pages. A lot of what your asking, although valid, is discussed at length earlier on in the posts. The why not COA, the where do extra stats go, all that stuff is dicussed. I know i know, you don't want to read 22 pages of crap. I fully understand.

Don't use COA, Shako is 10 times better. Extra skill points should probably go into dragon flight if you have decent kick boots. Crafted amulets and helms can be godly, but you have to weigh the stats yourself. If you think it's better, then try it. Most likely the amulet will be, but the helm won't be. Shako is really hard to beat. 10 shadow skillers with life, or 5 and then 3/20/20's is an equal trade off. Physical damage, poison damage, life, ar, skill points, all that are trade offs that you have to weigh yourself. My advice, is use 10 skillers just because it's easier. getting that many 3/20/20/s is super hard to do, and the pay off is nothing. It's the same either way... The reason I used them is simply because I had them, nothing more. I think either way, it won't matter one bit. I guess if I could edit my guide, there are some things I would change, or elaborate on, but in order to see the edits, you have to read through the posts and see what was discussed.

Well, good luck to everyone. I posted comments in the U-god vs Kodachi thread if your interested... Until my next trolling session, Peace

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Sep 9 2004 02:17pm
nice guide smile.gif

im just wondering would 1 angelics and 1 ammy + 1 ravenfrost be any good?

instead of 2 ravens
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Sep 18 2004 02:29am
Why is bramble so good ? Only for the posion??
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Sep 18 2004 07:24am
2 main things on bramble:
1) huge amount of psn, it's insane
2) awesome amount of fhr (50%) making it easy to get at least 86%fhr

also having a max fire res is cool and having huge psn res (vs other ww sins and vs psn necs) is awesome. The only bad things are:
less frw and stats and other skills (compared to enigma)
less resistances and other skills (vs coh)
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Sep 18 2004 08:53am
very nice ww guide.. i pwnz the noobs out of there tongue.gif
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Sep 20 2004 06:31am
What about adding a widowmaker on switch for the ww sin? I was thinking of making ur trap/ww sin but EVERYONE puts on mass light absorb. I don't have much duelling exp but i think it'd help alot with ww barbs, mad teleporters like sorcs and boners, trappers and fohers.

I once was in a game with a bowsorc and she was OWNING everything, i mean tele'ing like fucking crazy and arrows were fucking everywhere.

This post was edited by incognito129 on Sep 20 2004 06:43am
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Sep 20 2004 08:01am
put a lil fire resist on then u can take on bowasor easy, and i dont think a bowasor can take more than 1 ww
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