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#201
Oct 17 2013 10:44am
lol

poison has no effect on crit/ds
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#202
Oct 17 2013 12:19pm
Quote (Tysnatch @ 17 Oct 2013 09:05)
As I said, this wasn't a one time occurrence.
When I use a 451 in bvb, I tend to lose. This happens every time (not that I lose every time, but I tend to lose more rounds of every ft5)
But when I don't, I win a lot more.


There are tons of variables that go into a duel, especially in a match-up like BvB where there are so many random factors and things like whirlwind angles come into play. You can't jump from a thesis to a conclusion, that's unscientific. You have no concrete facts, the only evidence to back up your claim is anecdotal evidence, which is very easy to discredit. There should not be any question as to why it's hard to believe what you are saying, nor should it be difficult to accept that there is a very likely probability that you are incorrect.

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#203
Oct 17 2013 01:00pm
I remember talking to James ds jahusama and when we're talking about builds he mentions how he won't use psn vs every champ but he will vs necs sorcs ect.. I don't remember the whole list but I do think it is less effective against some clases but if you are like barb vs smite anyways that's a dumb duel and who gives a fk
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#204
Oct 17 2013 01:47pm
going to build a pvp barb just bc of the guide. Thanks.
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#205
Oct 17 2013 04:09pm
Quote (Wolfsmell @ Oct 17 2013 12:47pm)
going to build a pvp barb just bc of the guide. Thanks.


Thanks.
Quote (Jolteown @ Oct 17 2013 11:19am)
There are tons of variables that go into a duel, especially in a match-up like BvB where there are so many random factors and things like whirlwind angles come into play. You can't jump from a thesis to a conclusion, that's unscientific. You have no concrete facts, the only evidence to back up your claim is anecdotal evidence, which is very easy to discredit. There should not be any question as to why it's hard to believe what you are saying, nor should it be difficult to accept that there is a very likely probability that you are incorrect.


Well I'll re test it and fix it in the new draft of the guide if I'm wrong.
That's why I write drafts.
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#206
Oct 18 2013 06:10am
Quote (Tysnatch @ Oct 17 2013 12:44am)
Get a weapon with constant damage (ie a grief phase blade)
Stack deadly strike with highlords, guils, gores, ect. That's like 85%.
Swing 5 times and record the dmg of each swing, you will be able to tell which strikes are deadly.
then put a poison charm in your invy, and repeat the test.


yeah, 5_times_swing-tests are totally diagnostically conclusive :thumbsup:

Quote (Tysnatch @ Oct 17 2013 02:02am)
But I didn't proc venom... I did short whirls.
Also, did you even consider what you're saying?
How would venom reducing the damage on a poison charm cut the damage of WITHOUT the poison charm in half?

Also, I did a second test, multiple times.
I did a ft5 with a barb who had about the same gear as me

I used 33x 3/20/20s, and I won.
Then I used 32x and a 451, and I lost
What would cause that...?

oh wow... LOL

This post was edited by rimtutitukee on Oct 18 2013 06:25am
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#207
Oct 18 2013 01:59pm
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Quote (Tysnatch @ Oct 18 2013 01:01am)
Hey man, so from what I've seen, you look like the authority on melee.
I thought I'd bring this question to you.

I've heard that having a poison charm in your inventory can cancel out deadly strike. Not critical strike, but deadly strike exclusively.
Have you personally tested this and proven it true or false?
Or if not, do you believe this?
I trust you have a lot more experience in this then I do.


Hi. Yes thats true and having psn charm is bm.


So I just got this. Sounds to me like you guys are just fucking around in my thread.
Before any retard posts, he is saying poison charms are bm in gm melee, not in reg duels.

This post was edited by Tysnatch on Oct 18 2013 01:59pm
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#208
Oct 18 2013 02:21pm
If D2Child say that its bm, it must be true.
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#209
Oct 18 2013 02:25pm
Quote (DHA @ Oct 18 2013 01:21pm)
If D2Child say that its bm, it must be true.


Quote (Tysnatch @ Oct 18 2013 12:59pm)

Before any retard posts, he is saying poison charms are bm in gm melee, not in reg duels.


Thought we covered this

D2Child is well respected on east nl. He has some really gfg melee chars too.
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#210
Oct 18 2013 02:28pm
Quote (Tysnatch @ Oct 18 2013 08:59pm)
So I just got this. Sounds to me like you guys are just fucking around in my thread.
Before any retard posts, he is saying poison charms are bm in gm melee, not in reg duels.


So poison charms are bm in melee duels even though they cancel out deadly strike?
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