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Jul 19 2010 06:18am
[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]Oh, thanks.



Let's.



Why on Earth are we using an (almost) naked Druid as a realistic stat comparison?[/QUOTE]

to reduce the amount of irrelevant variables to zero



[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]Tornado hits several times. (But you probably didn't know that.)[/QUOTE]

no. I did not know that. In fact as it so happens one tornado is capable of hitting twice depending on the angel if it's trajectory. Thanks. I will look into a tornado hitting several times. Perhaps you debunked everything with this simple statement
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[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]Why are we using a 1k life Druid? Poor stats for a comparison.[/QUOTE]

We are using a 1k base life druid because it is a reasonably attainable and easy to work with number.


[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]It means that (using inaccurate figures), you will do several hundred hits of 107 damage more while losing 100 life.[/QUOTE]

This is not what that means. In fact this meaning is something that you just made up. Based on the assumption that a single tornado is capable of hitting several times and will always hit several times.

I will elaborate on this a bit for you. The frequency of tornado's hitting has no effect on the out come of the analysis of a single tornado.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]Retarded to do damage - life for a "net advantage". Not to mention you already acknowledge that having more than 1k hp will make this "life advantage" a lower number, and most pvp druids have 3k-4k base HP - a significant difference.[/QUOTE]

There are several stupid statements in this.

1) Dmg - Life
a) if you do 100 dmg to your opponent, then you take 100 life from your opponent
b) Therefore dmg translates to life
c) it is reasonable to relate Dmg - Life to a net advantage; in fact it is simply breaking down the total effect into lowest terms

2) Having more then 1k hp will make the life advantage a lower number. That's a positive thing.

3) It is not possible to have a 3k - 4k base HP. If I am wrong please explain to me how this is achievable. The 1000 base life means exactly as it is written. It does not mean with BO or Oak Sage as each one disqualifies base life.

[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]
Thanks for the basic Druid lesson. But you should be using Sbranch, not Wiz. Also, your alternative helmet choice (Jalals) has no fcr, and thus suffers the same "I can't use HotO" problem. tl;dr, circs> if you want a +2 skill helm.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the sarcasm. The truth is that you should be using Wiz unless you magically got enough res from your +6 nado pelt

When I mentioned jalal's i assumed the reader to be intelligent enough to understand that it is equally as good a +6 nado helm, as I meant nothing more then that...

[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]
The str is a minor add, 30 all res is unecessary for most match-ups too. Any good pelt will have 2os and 10 base fhr (no idea why you're comparing 6 nado pelts when 5 nado pelts are better), meaning you can have the same FHR and open sockets that Jalals has. tl;dr, jalals blows.[/QUOTE]

1) The str is a major mod since it is equal to 40 life
2) The 30 Res is necessary. If you wish to argue that it is not then please provide mathematically based arguments rather then stating your opinion.
3) But I am comparing a +6 Nado Pelt, not a +5. If you would like to compare a 5+ then create a assessment yourself.
4) The FHR on the pelt could be argued to be unnecessary.
5) Jalal's does not blow. Again if you wish to argue this point then please provide mathematically based arguments rather then stating your opinion

[QUOTE=Tails chao,Jul 19 2010 07:41am]
/e You actually think +life on level is bo'able? lol..[/QUOTE]

If you would have bothered to read further you would realize that this has already been addressed, and I thanked him for pointing out what could be an error.
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Jul 19 2010 06:19am
Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 19 2010 11:36am)
http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/idiot_got_owned.gif



LOOOL

THAT GUY GOT FUCKED......

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Quote (Noob_Nova @ 19 Jul 2010 13:18)
... xxx


HOLY COW, HE MADE A COME BACK!

This post was edited by Dorieus on Jul 19 2010 06:19am
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Jul 19 2010 06:21am
Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 19 2010 12:19pm)
HOLY COW, HE MADE A COME BACK!


he prolly punched but not hard enough to break his laptop ...
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Jul 19 2010 06:22am
Quote (halo273 @ 19 Jul 2010 13:21)
he prolly punched but not hard enough to break his laptop ...


And looks like he failed to slit also.. :mellow:
And I even gave instructions for it.. <_<

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Jul 19 2010 06:23am
Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 19 2010 08:22am)
And looks like he failed to slit also..  :mellow:


Yeah the kid can't do anything right can he? The only thing he's good at is not getting laid.
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Jul 19 2010 06:25am
Quote (proph21 @ Jul 19 2010 07:42am)
i read some stupid arguement about u saying life based on c lvl is Boable

i think u said "put on a shako .. then bo.. then notice ur life is higher"

this might be because shako gives +2 Bo skills... not because life based on c lvl is affected by BO

and 10% dr doesnt mean much when #1 any good druid wont get hit when they have 5 wolves and oak tanking for them

so now we are at 150 life... and +2 BO/Oak  and 1 socket
Versus
6 Nado skills
3 cyclone Armor
maybe Oak (depending how good it is)
possibility for 40+life BASE (this with + Bo and Oak >>> the life shako gives)
2 sockets


you could put 2x Lo's in ur pelt... specially since most teams use a trapper and u will need 85light res.. this is a favored set up

you could also put 2x shaels in your pelt.. which 40fhr >>20fhr since shako is only 1 socket

that 20fhr saves u a 12fhr GC which means u can use another 40+lifer (more life than shako).  And it also saves u a 5fhr sc meaning u can use a 20 lifer sc


im not even beginning to warm up on your stupidity. These are just a few basic facts

ill let ya respond


actually your entire argument is based on being off the point. This is not about druid set ups. This is about the helmet.

Your ignorance proceeds you in two ways. First being that just because I made one error you assume that everything is in error. People make mistakes. It is in the nature of humanity. Secondly if you would bother to read more you would see that as soon as it was pointed out I realized it.
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Yeah the kid can't do anything right can he? The only thing he's good at is not getting laid.


Yeah... I think he is pro at using his hands also.
e: typo

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Jul 19 2010 06:27am
Quote (Dorieus @ Jul 19 2010 08:04am)
Damn.. You are right. :(


yeah I know.
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Quote (Noob_Nova @ 19 Jul 2010 13:25)
actually your entire argument is based on being off the point. This is not about druid set ups. This is about the helmet.

Your ignorance proceeds you in two ways. First being that just because I made one error you assume that everything is in error. People make mistakes. It is in the nature of humanity. Secondly if you would bother to read more you would see that as soon as it was pointed out I realized it.


You still fail to understand that you can't compare single items like this?
Yeah, you can compare normal dusk shroud and Enigma and say Enigma is better, but this is different situation...
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