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Jul 9 2009 01:17pm
ive read ur hybsin guide and got some question .... because im a little bit confused i hope u can help me :)

65FCR Setup
• Helm - 2sin/20fcr/Vis Mod/Res All/Life/2socs Diadem (Ber/Ber)
• Armor - Mage plate Enigma
• Amulet - Storm Hide
• Boots - Shadow Dancers
• Rings - 10fcr/40Life/90 Mana/20str/120AR/11 res all Ring + Raven Frost
• Gloves - Trangs-Oul Gloves
• Belt- Arachnids Mesh
• Claws - Glitched Suwayyah Chaos Claw + Feral/Runic Fools claw with 3light sentry, 3 Dragon Flight, 3 Weapon Block (or mind blast)

1. the claws are here needed any base ias? or just a fools runic 2 sox and the needed skills?

2. what exactly means glitched suxayyah ?


would be nice if u help me
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Jul 9 2009 01:19pm
Quote (Seppl88 @ Thu, Jul 9 2009, 03:17pm)
ive read ur hybsin guide and got some question .... because im a little bit confused i hope u can help me :)

65FCR Setup
• Helm - 2sin/20fcr/Vis Mod/Res All/Life/2socs Diadem (Ber/Ber)
• Armor - Mage plate Enigma
• Amulet - Storm Hide
• Boots - Shadow Dancers
• Rings - 10fcr/40Life/90 Mana/20str/120AR/11 res all Ring + Raven Frost
• Gloves - Trangs-Oul Gloves
• Belt- Arachnids Mesh
• Claws - Glitched Suwayyah Chaos Claw + Feral/Runic Fools claw with 3light sentry, 3 Dragon Flight, 3 Weapon Block (or mind blast)

1. the claws are here needed any base ias? or just a fools runic 2 sox and the needed skills?

2. what exactly means glitched suxayyah ?


would be nice if u help me


as long as you use suwayyah (0) speed claws and faster you wont need extra ias for ww when u wsm bug it. if u use anything slower, yes you will need ias.

glitched = eth + industructable
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Jul 9 2009 02:53pm
Quote (Azn Masta @ Thu, 9 Jul 2009, 20:19)
as long as you use suwayyah (0) speed claws and faster you wont need extra ias for ww when u wsm bug it. if u use anything slower, yes you will need ias.

glitched = eth + industructable


glitched suwayyah isnt a must ... just to boost dmg ?

as long as you use suwayyah (0) speed claws and faster you wont need extra ias for ww when u wsm bug it. if u use anything slower, yes you will need ias.
just enough ias to WW ? whats about traping speed

This post was edited by Seppl88 on Jul 9 2009 02:54pm
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Jul 9 2009 02:58pm
Quote (Seppl88 @ Thu, 9 Jul 2009, 23:53)
glitched suwayyah isnt a must ... just to boost dmg ?

as long as you use suwayyah (0) speed claws and faster you wont need extra ias for ww when u wsm bug it. if u use anything slower, yes you will need ias.
just enough ias to WW ? whats about traping speed


if you have suwayaah chaos + feral / runic fury/fools you will have max ww speed even without bugging, wsm bug has nothing to do with ww
however you wont have good trap laying speed without wsm bug

This post was edited by tudey on Jul 9 2009 02:58pm
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Quote (tudey @ Thu, 9 Jul 2009, 21:58)
if you have suwayaah chaos + feral / runic fury/fools you will have max ww speed even without bugging, wsm bug has nothing to do with ww
however you wont have good trap laying speed without wsm bug


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Jul 9 2009 03:12pm
Quote (tudey @ Thu, 9 Jul 2009, 23:58)
if you have suwayaah chaos + feral / runic fury/fools you will have max ww speed even without bugging, wsm bug has nothing to do with ww
however you wont have good trap laying speed without wsm bug


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Jul 9 2009 05:32pm
Quote (tudey @ Thu, Jul 9 2009, 04:58pm)
if you have suwayaah chaos + feral / runic fury/fools you will have max ww speed even without bugging, wsm bug has nothing to do with ww
however you wont have good trap laying speed without wsm bug


yep pretty much...

basically as long as u get a chaos suwayyah and a feral or runic fury/fools u'll be fine for trap speed too
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Quote (mortiz @ Tue, Jun 30 2009, 09:54am)
i know the points but i never really compared it. never really calculated how much the damage increase of a HL with good eth claws would look like compared to crafted amulets.

i mean ... ghosts use very similar equipment, just different mods on claws and max fade which means a difference in DR setups (could be a problem since you have to use a circlet with HL) ... but apart from that it's pretty similar.
shide is pretty kicky so on east it's probably better than HL. same goes for really nice mage crafts i guess


just for you moe...

assumptions
300 avg damage on chaos
250 avg damage on other claw
lvl 33 CM
lvl 39 venom
100% hit rate
OW = 0%

single hit damage
HL increases total damage by 13.7%

damage over time
0% block: HL increases total damage by 19.5%
75% block: HL increases total damage by 14.9%
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Jul 10 2009 08:28am
Quote (Dumpling @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 02:42am)
just for you moe...

assumptions
300 avg damage on chaos
250 avg damage on other claw
lvl 33 CM
lvl 39 venom
100% hit rate
OW = 0%

single hit damage
HL increases total damage by 13.7%

damage over time
0% block: HL increases total damage by 19.5%
75% block: HL increases total damage by 14.9%


did you remember to calculate the damage with venom too? gclaw = no skills so you would only have 3+ venom and not 6+ like you would with 2x regular claws etc...

and meh. 14%-15% damage increase is nice but i like the 1+skill, life, mana, res (which lets me use 4x more 32020s = more damage + ar) and stats of an shide.

wanna do a comparison of that too? with the added 32020s for more chance to hit and stuff. the higher lvl mastery, etc.... calculate the full trade off of each?

This post was edited by Azn Masta on Jul 10 2009 08:29am
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Jul 10 2009 08:57am
Quote (Azn Masta @ Fri, Jul 10 2009, 10:28am)
did you remember to calculate the damage with venom too? gclaw = no skills so you would only have 3+ venom and not 6+ like you would with 2x regular claws etc...

and meh. 14%-15% damage increase is nice but i like the 1+skill, life, mana, res (which lets me use 4x more 32020s = more damage + ar) and stats of an shide.

wanna do a comparison of that too? with the added 32020s for more chance to hit and stuff. the higher lvl mastery, etc.... calculate the full trade off of each?

yep, i included venom as well. i assumed you would be able to get +3 venom on each gclaw, which biases the result more to your liking. the effect of 4x 3/20/20s will be pretty minuscule - i don't think it would even show up if i kept rounding at the tenth's place.

10+% damage is absolutely huge when you get to end-game tweaking (as we're doing here). i'm sure that if the damage change actually showed up on your char screen (15% would boost you to over 5k damage), you'd be quick to switch.

the numbers were just for moe anyway. i wasn't expecting you to change gear at this point.

This post was edited by Dumpling on Jul 10 2009 08:57am
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