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Aug 14 2010 02:04pm
Quote (Synonym @ 14 Aug 2010 22:41)
When a 75 build offers more +skills to CE, yeah, it's more effective. CE doesn't need to be spammed like hammers.
Homu is better because it offers more to amp range and yes, maek, which is godly in pvm. Drinking pots is a hassle not worth having in fast area clearing.

A 75CB treachery/guill/infinity merc is the act boss killer, not your skeletons.


3 more skill will give just a little CE range increase but you make that feel like that's so much. I know how much CE is enough and my build has enough CE
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Aug 14 2010 02:07pm
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ Aug 14 2010 07:39pm)
Less effective? Yeah 125% less effective than 75%, nice find.

Yeah homu 100x times better cause mana > all, right? Drinking 2 pots in 1 minute it's too difficutl..

Also have you ever tried killing single monsters like bosses, ancients, ubers, etc.? I mean CE does not work there or you still kill them with CE ?


you do realize you can discuss stuff without raging/getting all emotional. thanks.

Quote (Synonym @ Aug 14 2010 07:19pm)
You don't need 125 fcr, and it's actually less effective than a 75 build.
Homu>Spirit, discussed already.

The skeletons are simply too slow for you to show their real potential, since CE obliterates everything before they have a chance to attack more than a single mob.


The only reason you gave that homu is > is because of the mana after kill which i solve with silkweave (which also nets me more mana)
How is your build generating more +skills than mine?

hoto
spirit
nigma
2/10 fcr ammy
soj
soj
arach
trang
shako
silkweave!
torch
anni
cta (i know bo isnt needed... but is nice anyways..)

please tell me where i can generate more +skills in my setup EXCEPT for my weapon (white or rare but hoto > white imo, and rare costs more than necessery..) and maybe shield (darkforce).

and my build can go circlet + white/rare if you were really deadset on it.


A 75CB treachery/guill/infinity merc is the act boss killer, not your skeletons.... has no life leech. ofc you can utilize life tap but nn. infinity has enough cb.

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on Aug 14 2010 02:10pm
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Aug 14 2010 02:27pm
Soccergoal10 --> you have enough skills. If need more get summon skillers
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Aug 14 2010 03:22pm
Nice Guide,
Few things i would personally changes tho.
There is no need to break max FCR with a summoning necro, so i would honestly use:
Beast/Darkforce spawn
CTA/Lidless
And Infinity for merc? Ehhh...Idk,
Again this is just my opinion,Of course keep it a A2 Nightmare Off but, 100% Bramble for armor (the thorn arua can not be ignored)
For weapons tho (PVM/PVP don't matter) I perfer Doom, Holy Freeze arua main use for me is the slowing.
Just my views, nice guide beside the points.
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Aug 14 2010 03:23pm
Quote (oORobert @ 14 Aug 2010 23:22)
Nice Guide,
Few things i would personally changes tho.
There is no need to break max FCR with a summoning necro, so i would honestly use:
Beast/Darkforce spawn
CTA/Lidless
And Infinity for merc? Ehhh...Idk,
Again this is just my opinion,Of course keep it a A2 Nightmare Off but, 100% Bramble for armor (the thorn arua can not be ignored)
For weapons tho (PVM/PVP don't matter) I perfer Doom, Holy Freeze arua main use for me is the slowing.
Just my views, nice guide beside the points.

what... the... fuck?
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Aug 14 2010 03:44pm
+1 lol wtf is the only answer here..

soccergoal10

Homu has more and consistant (- no need for rare boots) resists and block mods.

its pro

silkweave is crap, mana comes from insight iron golem, otherwise pot up lazy fucker.

honestly the only reason to use spirit is if you are using beast mh and want 75 fcr bp . more than that isnt worth it. FHR is not an issue with treks and 5fhr scs

wasting + skills on rings for fcr is retarded you are a summoner ffs.


Now heres a question for ya all, does the merc survive with guil treach infy? too lazy to go through 10 mules to try it out atm.

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+1 lol wtf is the only answer here..

soccergoal10

Homu has more and consistant (- no need for rare boots) resists and block mods.

its pro

silkweave is crap, mana comes from insight iron golem, otherwise pot up lazy fucker.

honestly the only reason to use spirit is if you are using beast mh and want 75 fcr bp . more than that isnt worth it. FHR is not an issue with treks and 5fhr scs

wasting + skills on rings for fcr is retarded you are a summoner ffs.


Now heres a question for ya all, does the merc survive with guil treach infy? too lazy to go through 10 mules to try it out atm.


wtf is consistent res oO
nn block. as stated before you have "meatshields" **maybe if hardcore you might want it.. but a good summoner doesnt need block oO
i dont use any fcr ring in my setup
yes

edit: i personally am okay with using pots. your boots slot isnt needed on a summoner. maybe marrows but again as many people like to point out, your summons arent your only source for killing. the extra dmg from them wont help. so i was mainly giving a nice option if you decided to go 125 fcr and wanted the maek from homu and wanted more mana so you can regenerate it faster

This post was edited by Soccergoal10 on Aug 14 2010 08:27pm
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Quote (frang @ Aug 15 2010 12:44am)
Now heres a question for ya all, does the merc survive with guil treach infy? too lazy to go through 10 mules to try it out atm.


With Life Tap, sure.

@Soccergoal, silkweave is indeed crap, homu >

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Aug 15 2010 12:34am
Quote (Synonym @ 15 Aug 2010 09:24)
With Life Tap, sure.

@Soccergoal, silkweave is indeed crap, homu >


If you value mana so much just get insight golem, so nn to sacrifise all good stats on spirit :P
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Aug 15 2010 12:35am
Quote (Sladeinflame7 @ Aug 15 2010 09:34am)
If you value mana so much just get insight golem, so nn to sacrifise all good stats on spirit :P


Nothing about spirit is better than Homunculus.
maek > regen
beast IG > insight IG
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