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Jul 7 2008 03:22pm
I realized I forgot to name this type of character... I think I'll call her the "Nigger Zon"

So when the guide is reposted, it will read "The Official Nigger Zon build".
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Jul 8 2008 03:08pm
Quote (sorowfulhatred @ Mon, Jul 7 2008, 04:22pm)
I realized I forgot to name this type of character... I think I'll call her the "Nigger Zon"

So when the guide is reposted, it will read "The Official Nigger Zon build".


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Jul 8 2008 09:26pm
i'll give you what i used on my telezon.
Mine is a true hybrid using almost all javaskills with the main focus on bow

3s 20fcr circ, 120//45
2 amazon, 18fcr amulet
enigma
faith mb
20ias kb gloves (stacked ias to counter 10% slow) or 2 java, kb gloves
Arachnid
Ravenfrost
rare fcr ring
30frw/tripleresist boots, wt's

Now that looks kinda similar as yours, but i use eth upped titans + stormshield or 3x ias/ed jeweled atnod on switch (too poor for jmod)

Charms:
torch anni, 8x 10max/ar/30life gc, 1x10max/ar/12fhr gc, 2x3max/ar/fhr sc, rest frw/res sc's
Often used cube with cta in it.

Max guided
Max poison javelin
Max plague javelin
1 jab
1 lightningbolt
1 lightningfury
1 ub the usual passive skills with dodges up to +-55/65/55 and critical +-65 or something

Ga dmg with mb faith, 1.2-3.5k (pure physical)
Plague javelin, 33k over 16 seconds (that takes a bit more then 2k life vs a 75res char)
Poison javelin, 4xk over 4x seconds (it's easier to hit es sorc with)
68 fcr break on both switches
130+ frw on javswitch
7fpa guided
+-1.2k life without cubecta, 2k with

plague javelin rocks vs most, most people at some time go aggressive vs you because physical bowdmg is pretty good, at that point you either throw the poison jav or are already standing in your cloud. Tele gives easy means after that to flee from them, let them drain and meanwhile hurt them with arrows. I also consider not having lightningbolt and fury on your bloclswitch a big miss on your ama.

This post was edited by gimmershred on Jul 8 2008 09:37pm
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Jul 9 2008 06:47pm
Quote (gimmershred @ Tue, Jul 8 2008, 10:26pm)
i'll give you what i used on my telezon.
Mine is a true hybrid using almost all javaskills with the main focus on bow

3s 20fcr circ, 120//45
2 amazon, 18fcr amulet
enigma
faith mb
20ias kb gloves (stacked ias to counter 10% slow) or 2 java, kb gloves
Arachnid
Ravenfrost
rare fcr ring
30frw/tripleresist boots, wt's

Now that looks kinda similar as yours, but i use eth upped titans + stormshield or 3x ias/ed jeweled atnod on switch (too poor for jmod)

Charms:
torch anni, 8x 10max/ar/30life gc, 1x10max/ar/12fhr gc, 2x3max/ar/fhr sc, rest frw/res sc's
Often used cube with cta in it.

Max guided
Max poison javelin
Max plague javelin
1 jab
1 lightningbolt
1 lightningfury
1 ub the usual passive skills with dodges up to +-55/65/55 and critical +-65 or something

Ga dmg with mb faith, 1.2-3.5k (pure physical)
Plague javelin, 33k over 16 seconds (that takes a bit more then 2k life vs a 75res char)
Poison javelin, 4xk over 4x seconds (it's easier to hit es sorc with)
68 fcr break on both switches
130+ frw on javswitch
7fpa guided
+-1.2k life without cubecta, 2k with

plague javelin rocks vs most, most people at some time go aggressive vs you because physical bowdmg is pretty good, at that point you either throw the poison jav or are already standing in your cloud. Tele gives easy means after that to flee from them, let them drain and meanwhile hurt them with arrows. I also consider not having lightningbolt and fury on your bloclswitch a big miss on your ama.




you suffer too much plague dmg, from my experience 33k is not effective enough for that single attack. 3/xx/20's would be superior to gcs as well, and it's smart to settle for 8fps guided arrow attack with faith grand matron bow for the 1-5k+ phys dmg.

": 8x 10max/ar/30life gc, 1x10max/ar/12fhr gc, 2x3max/ar/fhr sc" icon_pointl.gif- replace these with 3/xx/20's and you'll gain 340 life. That's one more hit you'll be able to tank. The fhr isn't needed. Helps, but not as much as the life you'd gain.

lightning bolt and fury are only a miss assuming zons know how to accurately and appropriately deploy the attacks, which they don't. Yes, it is a back fall, but considering my arrows do 1-3k phys and psn damage comparable to a 26k plague attack without sacrificing my fcr or ias bps, dr or resists, or life... I'm confident this build is still far superior to the one presented here.

So I basically have the same phys dmg/psn damage as you do, but with 1.2k+ more life, more mobility, more dodges, more critical, and higher break points achieved.
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Jul 9 2008 07:02pm
uhm you do less then half the poison dmg
10,150 over 12!! is what you said
i do 33k over 16

and far less physical with a slower attack , since you don't got any maxdmg charms and basedex.
815-1761 physical damage with mat bow faith, 615-2585 physical damage with 8fpa grand matron bow faith is what you said.
while i do 1.2-3.5k with 7fpa mat bow.

Also you can't attack on switch and got only 50fcr on your attackswitch. While mine got 65 on both switch with also the option of doing 4 different attacks on my maxblock switch.

And yes, my charms could have been better, but i am not that rich to get full 3/2/2's on ladder.

Overall i doubt your build is better.



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uhm you do less then half the poison dmg, and far less physical if you use a 7fpa attack, since you don't got any maxdmg charms and basedex.
Also you can't attack on switch and got only 50fcr on your attackswitch. I doubt your build is better.

815-1761 physical damage with mat bow faith, 615-2585 physical damage with 8fpa grand matron bow faith is what you said.
while i do 1.2-3.5k with 7fpa mat bow.


the retarded author does 3k physical and 500k poison and cant be caught by anything in this game despite 12 frame tele gz haehaehehheaheaheah
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Jul 9 2008 07:29pm
Quote (gimmershred @ Tue, Jul 8 2008, 11:56pm)
i'll give you what i used on my telezon.
Mine is a true hybrid using almost all javaskills with the main focus on bow

3s 20fcr circ, 120//45
2 amazon, 18fcr amulet
enigma
faith mb
20ias kb gloves (stacked ias to counter 10% slow) or 2 java, kb gloves
Arachnid
Ravenfrost
rare fcr ring
30frw/tripleresist boots, wt's

Now that looks kinda similar as yours, but i use eth upped titans + stormshield or 3x ias/ed jeweled atnod on switch (too poor for jmod)

Charms:
torch anni, 8x 10max/ar/30life gc, 1x10max/ar/12fhr gc, 2x3max/ar/fhr sc, rest frw/res sc's
Often used cube with cta in it.

Max guided
Max poison javelin
Max plague javelin
1 jab
1 lightningbolt
1 lightningfury
1 ub the usual passive skills with dodges up to +-55/65/55 and critical +-65 or something

Ga dmg with mb faith, 1.2-3.5k (pure physical)
Plague javelin, 33k over 16 seconds (that takes a bit more then 2k life vs a 75res char)
Poison javelin, 4xk over 4x seconds (it's easier to hit es sorc with)
68 fcr break on both switches
130+ frw on javswitch
7fpa guided
+-1.2k life without cubecta, 2k with

plague javelin rocks vs most, most people at some time go aggressive vs you because physical bowdmg is pretty good, at that point you either throw the poison jav or are already standing in your cloud. Tele gives easy means after that to flee from them, let them drain and meanwhile hurt them with arrows. I also consider not having lightningbolt and fury on your bloclswitch a big miss on your ama.


really should use trangs

+25% on plauge is a lot of damage

you'd still hit bp
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Jul 9 2008 07:32pm
i wanted knockback. If' id use knockback helm with trang gloves i'd only have 30ias, or my fcr would go down.
ideal would be 2 java , 20 ias, kb gloves. it would add 6k poison dmg, while trang would add +-8k.
I sometimes used 2 java , kb gloves, but without 20% stacked, 10% slow on your enemy will bring you down from 7 to 8fpa.

This post was edited by gimmershred on Jul 9 2008 07:33pm
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Jul 10 2008 12:30pm
Quote (AbysmalDescent @ Wed, Jul 9 2008, 08:05pm)
the retarded author does 3k physical and 500k poison and cant be caught by anything in this game despite 12 frame tele gz haehaehehheaheaheah


Are you still mad about being a pompous idiot with no proof of anything while claiming the joke zons of Europe superior to those of other realms?

I wonder how long until you're locked.


Quote (gimmershred @ Wed, Jul 9 2008, 08:02pm)
uhm you do less then half the poison dmg
10,150 over 12!! is what you said
i do 33k over 16

and far less physical with a slower attack , since you don't got any maxdmg charms and basedex.
815-1761 physical damage with mat bow faith, 615-2585 physical damage with 8fpa grand matron bow faith is what you said.
while i do 1.2-3.5k with 7fpa mat bow.

Also you can't attack on switch and got only 50fcr on your attackswitch. While mine got 65 on both switch with also the option of doing 4 different attacks on my maxblock switch.

And yes, my charms could have been better, but i am not that rich to get full 3/2/2's on ladder.

Overall i doubt your build is better.




You doubt mine is better, but I know it is.


Anyways, last time I checked: 50 (wiz spike) + 20 (arachs) + 20 (circ) + 10 (fcr ring) = 100

Is simple math different where you live?

You sacrifice too much to maintain 2 weakened attacks (v low plague w/ a semi-low ga) with poor life/dodges/crit/resists.. etc.

The focus of my zon is maintain a strong single attack, and back it with an even stronger defense.

Quote (gimmershred @ Wed, Jul 9 2008, 08:32pm)
i wanted knockback. If' id use knockback helm with trang gloves i'd only have 30ias, or my fcr would go down.
ideal would be 2 java , 20 ias, kb gloves. it would add 6k poison dmg, while trang would add +-8k.
I sometimes used 2 java , kb gloves, but without 20% stacked, 10% slow on your enemy will bring you down from 7 to 8fpa.



Like I said, when you have too much going on, it weakens the build as a whole. Not to mention it strangles your gear mobility.

This post was edited by sorowfulhatred on Jul 10 2008 12:31pm
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Jul 10 2008 12:54pm
now i know again why i rather discuss tactics on other forums, too much obnoxious people here
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