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Jan 5 2023 05:20pm
Quote (Puddingyo @ Jan 5 2023 04:42pm)
mainstream end game build:

Griffon with 15/15@
Eth titan
5+fcr ammy
enigma
60ias 12maek jmod
arach
2x fcr rings with 6ml each
Java gloves
tri res boots

With might aura merc

95ias/68fcr no swap

Here

ml 15%
maek 12

is widely accepted to be the minimum req for no potion any field.

Need half freeze duration somewhere (ring, gloves, boots)

try arguing that this is a noob setup because it doesn't use Razortail..



Jesus Christ this is terrible


You somehow managed to make jmod worse

This post was edited by Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins on Jan 5 2023 05:20pm
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Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Jan 5 2023 06:20pm)
Jesus Christ this is terrible


You somehow managed to make jmod worse


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Quote (Puddingyo @ Jan 5 2023 06:17pm)



I know right. You somehow managed to post 2 shit builds.
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I know right. You somehow managed to post 2 shit builds.


You just called what is known to be the best pvm javazon build a shit build.

I'm speechless.

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Quote (Puddingyo @ Jan 6 2023 01:31am)
You just called what is known to be the best pvm javazon build a shit build.

I'm speechless.


Known to be the best pvm javazon build where? On reddit?
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Quote (Puddingyo @ Jan 5 2023 06:31pm)
You just called what is known to be the best pvm javazon build a shit build.

I'm speechless.



It’s not even remotely the best.
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Jan 6 2023 08:09am
I agree that "no razortail" is good

my build for fastest clear speed (especially cows) which suits me well is:

breakpoints
152fcr/86fhr on switch tele
60ias/24fhr on main

griff 5/5
4/40 javs (its better to have good mods rather than expensive 6/40)
eni
amu 2/12+ fcr
monarch 20/20 (not really jmod required)
gloves 2/20 ml
arach
ring fcr ml maek adds
ring bk (no raven, thawing pots in belt, rarely used)
silkwave

switch is wizz with fhr/lr jewel and spirit 35

7jav sk (2x fhr included) and sunder

this is absolutely great for short games, cows or terror clears. For terror zones resists may be an issue so you need to have nice adds on eq as well as @res sc, but for cows p8 its amazing


ah the pierce is at 82%, few points need to be spent there but only like 4 I think.

This post was edited by navarin86 on Jan 6 2023 08:14am
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I never knew PvM builds could be so heated in debate lol.
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Quite personally, I think the javazon is one of the few characters that most breakpoints are essentially useless for. Sure they can help in some scenarios, and increasing player count will put SOME more importance on them but running any more than grif and spirit for tele isnt going to do a whole lot for running chaos, cows, pits, etc as the frame rates for zon tele are pitiful. And lets face it, a very large portion of the players are playing on low player count games to mf. IAS is nice, as is FHR, however I 2 hit diablo and kill almost everything before they get close enough with 1-2 fury. Folks get real hung up on "but you'll be .025% slower using this build." Sweet.....I'm playing for an hour or two after work before going to bed. Im not running pits for 15 hours. Just because a build isnt the strongest possible build, doesn't automatically equate to it being bad. It's kind of sad that these forums have gotten so far away from folks sharing things that are fun for them to play and think others may enjoy it too, and post nothing but the "meta" build that hasnt changed in a freaking decade because otherwise all you're going to get are mouth breathers who have never tried anything new in their lives.

Anyone who has played for more than 8 seconds knows that titans/spirit/razor builds are meta. That doesn't mean it's the only build that can easily run all areas.

The build I'm currently running that walks through P8 without fuss

Griff
Nigma
Arach
eth titan
phoenix
2/20 gloves
raven
mf ring
maras with hl in stash if I feel I need more IAS
cta/spirit switch
Address fhr through skillers and sc

I just tele around on my cta switch

Is it the greatest build ever invented with perfect min/max'ing? Hell no. Does it run P1 with your eyes closed with the ability to quickly run P8? Hell yes. And as someone who hates potting, phoenix is amazing
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Quote (tdwillie25 @ Jan 6 2023 05:50pm)
Quite personally, I think the javazon is one of the few characters that most breakpoints are essentially useless for. Sure they can help in some scenarios, and increasing player count will put SOME more importance on them but running any more than grif and spirit for tele isnt going to do a whole lot for running chaos, cows, pits, etc as the frame rates for zon tele are pitiful. And lets face it, a very large portion of the players are playing on low player count games to mf. IAS is nice, as is FHR, however I 2 hit diablo and kill almost everything before they get close enough with 1-2 fury. Folks get real hung up on "but you'll be .025% slower using this build." Sweet.....I'm playing for an hour or two after work before going to bed. Im not running pits for 15 hours. Just because a build isnt the strongest possible build, doesn't automatically equate to it being bad. It's kind of sad that these forums have gotten so far away from folks sharing things that are fun for them to play and think others may enjoy it too, and post nothing but the "meta" build that hasnt changed in a freaking decade because otherwise all you're going to get are mouth breathers who have never tried anything new in their lives.

Anyone who has played for more than 8 seconds knows that titans/spirit/razor builds are meta. That doesn't mean it's the only build that can easily run all areas.

The build I'm currently running that walks through P8 without fuss

Griff
Nigma
Arach
eth titan
phoenix
2/20 gloves
raven
mf ring
maras with hl in stash if I feel I need more IAS
cta/spirit switch
Address fhr through skillers and sc

I just tele around on my cta switch

Is it the greatest build ever invented with perfect min/max'ing? Hell no. Does it run P1 with your eyes closed with the ability to quickly run P8? Hell yes. And as someone who hates potting, phoenix is amazing


God bless
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