d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Diablo II > Diablo 2 Discussion > Strategy & Guides > 2.5: Teh's Obsession - 6300hp Fire Sorc Pvp Guide > D2:R
Prev1234Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 6,001
Joined: Dec 9 2017
Gold: 3.00
Nov 21 2022 09:55am
Quote (emptyfolder @ Nov 21 2022 10:53am)
Interesting, I’ve never heard of this mechanic. So in pvm a mob will do 33% less physical damage, but in pvp will lower ED? What if ED is 0 on a hybrid sin? Or what about when enemy has two weapons ? What about ED jewels ?

Can someone else confirm this? Anyone else tested it?


It's been tested multiple times. My guess is that Weaken has a better effect in PvM because monster damage is probably just a flat damage making it work better. You can find consistent results on Google by just searching Weakn D2 PVP.
Member
Posts: 69,402
Joined: Aug 3 2013
Gold: 31,804.69
Nov 21 2022 09:55am
Quote (emptyfolder @ Nov 21 2022 09:53am)
Interesting, I’ve never heard of this mechanic. So in pvm a mob will do 33% less physical damage, but in pvp will lower ED? What if ED is 0 on a hybrid sin? Or what about when enemy has two weapons ? What about ED jewels ?

Can someone else confirm this? Anyone else tested it?



Would make sense it works like that. Since most of d2 functionality is additive or subtracts. Not multiplicative


Member
Posts: 6,465
Joined: Jun 20 2021
Gold: 1,643.00
Nov 21 2022 10:00am
Quote (eric1014153 @ Nov 21 2022 09:55am)
It's been tested multiple times. My guess is that Weaken has a better effect in PvM because monster damage is probably just a flat damage making it work better. You can find consistent results on Google by just searching Weakn D2 PVP.


Quote (Bui6Pays40Percent4Wins @ Nov 21 2022 09:55am)
Would make sense it works like that. Since most of d2 functionality is additive or subtracts. Not multiplicative


True, I edited the guide to it's original 39% DR
Member
Posts: 49
Joined: Sep 28 2021
Gold: 153.80
Nov 21 2022 01:43pm
Nice build, need to try it in pvp 😁
Member
Posts: 7,117
Joined: Sep 21 2006
Gold: 5,615.22
Nov 21 2022 02:41pm
95es >
Member
Posts: 6,465
Joined: Jun 20 2021
Gold: 1,643.00
Nov 21 2022 02:54pm
Quote (BaowZ @ Nov 21 2022 02:41pm)
95es >



ES is banned in most tourneys, most you can do is 80% es
Member
Posts: 3,563
Joined: Aug 11 2008
Gold: 6,750.00
Nov 21 2022 03:02pm
Nice to see this finally posted!

Those are some great numbers, definitely makes for an interesting build since most sorcs would play ESFB or 200 vita for svs.

A couple things: SvS I thought max res is capped at 85% for fire not 80%? Also you’d need a lot more cold stack to ensure 75% resists after cold mastery reduction, and having CBF is helpful as well during svs.
Member
Posts: 6,465
Joined: Jun 20 2021
Gold: 1,643.00
Nov 21 2022 03:21pm
Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Nov 21 2022 03:02pm)
Nice to see this finally posted!

Those are some great numbers, definitely makes for an interesting build since most sorcs would play ESFB or 200 vita for svs.

A couple things: SvS I thought max res is capped at 85% for fire not 80%? Also you’d need a lot more cold stack to ensure 75% resists after cold mastery reduction, and having CBF is helpful as well during svs.


Most sorcs can’t afford any max res at all so I give myself 80% just to not feel underwhelming. I can even slap a dwarf star instead of a soj, but I won’t take damage. I have 2 open sockets flexibility or infernos.
As of the coke matchup, I am trying not to exceed 200res although I can swap with trang gloves and one more sc for +239 cold res. If I find 2x godly jewels instead of ThulThul I can be at 259 cold res without sacrificing damage. We still have 2x soj that we can flex. It’s insane imo
Member
Posts: 5,225
Joined: Dec 13 2020
Gold: 631.22
Nov 21 2022 08:42pm
Interesting for SVS the numbers make your eyes pop :thumbsup:
Member
Posts: 3,563
Joined: Aug 11 2008
Gold: 6,750.00
Nov 21 2022 09:03pm
Quote (emptyfolder @ Nov 21 2022 04:21pm)
Most sorcs can’t afford any max res at all so I give myself 80% just to not feel underwhelming. I can even slap a dwarf star instead of a soj, but I won’t take damage. I have 2 open sockets flexibility or infernos.
As of the coke matchup, I am trying not to exceed 200res although I can swap with trang gloves and one more sc for +239 cold res. If I find 2x godly jewels instead of ThulThul I can be at 259 cold res without sacrificing damage. We still have 2x soj that we can flex. It’s insane imo



In SvS it’s required for vita sorcs to hit 85 fr vs fire, and 300+ cold res vs cold in order to hit 75 cold res after CM. Otherwise fire would take too much life per hit, and Blizz would obliterate. But definitely swapping out the sojs for resistance rings / dwarf or using infernos would help that front, though I’m not sure how to raise Cold res up to the 300-350 threshold that’s typical for SvS without sacrificing too much life, especially as a 105 sorc as opposed to 200 sorc.

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Nov 21 2022 09:03pm
Go Back To Strategy & Guides Topic List
Prev1234Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll