Quote (L8knightResurrected @ 6 Oct 2022 04:41)

that was a question! i wasn't sure how important damage taken goes to mana is when it comes to energy shield. then i saw that enigma has that on it and i realized my question was irrelevant.

Quote (Bugeater @ Oct 6 2022 06:45am)

thats not why

lets assume 75% es and 75 fire res, you get hit by a 20k fireball
1/6 for pvp
1/4 for es
1/4 for res
=
208 damage taken to life, you take this regardless of damage to mana

now if you have 10% damage to mana, this gives you 21 mana back after you take the damage to your life - this is a absolutely negligible amount

damage to mana is a 100% useless stat outside of lld when the numbers are smaller so its more impactful

Quote (dannywanghere @ Oct 4 2022 07:05pm)

Your damage is not relevant because it will rarely help you

You are basically comparing 95% es with 75% es (at high level you can max all FB synergies plus max telekinesis, with low level ES). Technically you could still get 95% ES with prebuffing if you swap charms and gear, but that's a huge hassle. The main difference is whether you max your last synergy or energy shield. There isn't really any other good option.

With 95% es you'll probably end up with 14-17k FB depending on your gear. With 75% es you can get max damage up to 24-26k

That sounds like a big damage difference, but the problem is that in both cases the damage is still too low. If you play ES FB a lot you'll find that in most matchups you will be playing hit and run most of the time, not chasing for a telestomp. Even with max fireball damage and 75% es with perfect gear (500k+ FG investment) pretty much any character will kill you in a straight up mouselock DPS race.

95% es build has an advantage because most of your damage goes to mana so you actually heal significantly during duels. This works incredibly well with hit and run play style because you'll basically never die unless you're opponent can land a combo of hits in a short period of time

Quote (Chad_Thundercock @ Oct 6 2022 09:27am)

I stopped reading at the first sentence.

Damage dealt per FB determines whether your opponent is going to respect you or not. There is a significant difference in playstyle when you are vending 24k fbs vs 17k fbs.

ESFB is one of the top builds in D2R.

Quote (dannywanghere @ Oct 6 2022 12:19pm)

You're making yourself look bad with this ignorance. It's not 17k vs 26k in a vacuum, the 14-17k damage fireball builds (depends what gear) are what you get with 95% es. The tradeoff is very worth it unless it's banned in your ruleset

Quote (Chad_Thundercock @ Oct 6 2022 01:32pm)

95es build is only worth it if you are making a lot of pvp mistakes. It is a very forgiving, newbie-friendly build and gives you a wide margin of error. I can understand why you choose this route.

However, as the best pvp sorc player to ever touch this game, I do not make mistakes - ever. Hence, I am better off playing 75-80es or pure vita with 25k+ cannonballs firing at the speed of light.

Quote (newbiebasher @ Oct 6 2022 12:38pm)

What is ur fb 75 es sorc build? Use 3 es cta staff + 0 to es + 20 tk + max mana?

Quote (Chad_Thundercock @ Oct 6 2022 10:32am)

95es build is only worth it if you are making a lot of pvp mistakes. It is a very forgiving, newbie-friendly build and gives you a wide margin of error. I can understand why you choose this route.

However, as the best pvp sorc player to ever touch this game, I do not make mistakes - ever. Hence, I am better off playing 75-80es or pure vita with 25k+ cannonballs firing at the speed of light.