Quote (Jon011684 @ Jul 7 2022 02:28pm)

We’ll disregarding Phoenix cause of the redemption.

Quote (Jon011684 @ Jul 7 2022 01:28pm)

We’ll disregarding Phoenix cause of the redemption.

Quote (camopk @ Jul 7 2022 02:51pm)

I think Redemption might be ok because you won't get enough +life per kill back from killing single targets on a zerk barb so you have to pot. I never tried Phoenix myself. But redemption is not necessary since you can howl to scatter trash mobs and zerk the champions and uniques. This will minimize the damage you take.

It also depends on what you are using the build for. I have a lvl 99 barb on ladder that is specialized for chaos. I used an eth two handed death colossus blade and it kills Diablo faster than any one hander grief setup. It's not good at clearing thick mobs, but it excels at seal popping, killing the three seal bosses, and killing Diablo/Nihlathak for the 99 grind. It does 6.6k - 15k zerk (with gg inventory) and has 100% cb and 100% ds and 105fcr so it hits like a hammerdin and teles like a sorc. Faith with lvl 14 fana on Merc to hit last ias breakpoint with colossus blade.

But for a pitzerker or whatever else people like to do on barbs I wouldn't use my build.

Quote (KosMosII @ Jul 7 2022 01:57pm)

But would you recommend phoenix over Ss for everywhere use in Hell ? is 35%DR more enjoyable than lvl 15 redemp ?

Quote (camopk @ Jul 7 2022 03:03pm)

Well you saw my build. I didn't even bother with a shield in softcore and I was grinding for lvl 99, which means the penalty for dying is high. So I don't think SS is needed in softcore pvm at all. I would definitely opt for more damage from Phoenix and the redemption is a bonus.

Quote (KosMosII @ Jul 7 2022 02:15pm)

Trying to understand that part, the penalty for dying is high w/o a shield ? Does this mean that your build is glass canon and risky :D ?

Edit: nvm, just understood now lol. you mean that dying at high lvl gives a huge exp penalty.

Also, 100% CB with EdeathCB .. is it that useful ? Considering how hard you already hit when going Grief Nigma...

Quote (camopk @ Jul 7 2022 03:30pm)

Yea dying costs a ton of xp. My barb is built to kill p8 diablo as fast as possible in a Baal run so crushing blow is useful for that. It is not needed against normal health monsters since you do enough damage.

Not sure if you understand but I don't use grief. Eth two handed death cb which is far more damage than grief. A grief phase blade does make up for the damage gap somewhat with faster attack speed. But no grief barb can kill Diablo as fast as eth two handed death.

As far as glass cannon goes, I only have 8% damage reduce from nigma and no block so I do take some damage but I also have 7.1k life due to a good inventory. If I wanted to go full glass cannon I could have statted strength instead of vita for the extra DMG but that definitely would have caused me to die a few times from accidentally tele stomping lord de seis without howling first. Howl is pretty OP at reducing the amount of damage that you take.

Quote (KosMosII @ Jul 7 2022 02:32pm)

I see !

Yeah since shield is not necessary, you primarly opt for 2H, which makes grief obsolete (unless going Lem'ed or ist'ed PB).

isn't Howl annoying since they keep running ? Why not War Cry for stun lock?