That does not make any sence. From u click df u til df is finnish is like 30-40 frames, then you need time to build up charge. Then u most likely wont 1 tap them. And need to build charge again.

Most enigma builds are around 9 fpa teles. They already teleport and casted 2 or 3 spells before ur even done with ur df animation.

You don't appear to realize you can build a charge on a straggler, then dragon flight into the next big mob with a full charge. MA sins flow very well played this way and the killing speed is up there with most builds besides sorcs and hammerdins. they're never going to compare to the top tier meta builds but people seriously underestimate them, especially post patch.

I've played a ton of pub baal run games and there have been many, many times other players have struggled to keep up with my ma sin.

ty for input

My sin might max dragon flight next instead of kick but kick with lvl 30 or 31 i forget has 6 kicks and it is the top dps for like bosses, but for everything else, chargeup and i've been using regular attack, doubleclaw would work nice and so would dragon flight to release charges

i'm thinking of also maxing some trap skills instead of claw mastery to help me

im still tweaking build ill update if i figure anything out

but maxing lightning claws and phoenix strike seem necessary to build imo

dragon talon is definitely one of the fastest attacks in the game. it's incredible for proccing things like crushing blow and X on strike effects.

It's superior to dragon tail for single targets, i.e. act bosses, ubers etc. However dragon tail is better for general PVM in my opinion. The knockback and splash damage make it much better for crowd control and escaping a mob surrounding you, and with the right gear it can put out 10,000-20,000 damage per kick.

Dragon Flight has really high damage that isn't split between physical and fire res. I've thought about maxing it to see what the damage would be on a kitted out ma sin. only issue is the animation takes forever compared to other dragon skills.

I honestly skip putting any points into claw mastery on most my melee assassin builds. The AR bonus is nice but I think you're better off trying to get more AR through dex & gear and putting skill points into whatever increases your DPS the most.

Claws of thunder matched with infinity = no need ar based on lvl. You pretty much always hit with claw mastery as well.

The nextdelay from Claws of thunder actually cuts your dmg because some mobs will not get hit by all charges stacked. And considering the amount of time you need to stack up new charges, a lightning java or light sorc will just do the same... faster
That's why elemental MA is clunky to play.

Dragon claw feels better imo for PvM because Dtalon will get you stuck until the end of the kick animation.
The best way to test that build is to go in p5-p8, then you'll get a clear shot of this build's potential.

Good luck !

With Talon and DS, you don't have to do any crowd control per se: lay DS, Flight and Talon, done.

I've been making my third Sin and was going to do Phoenixer but not sure what to make now, as Tail still relies on DS then Talon is superior.

Dragon Claw then? Hmmm... Talon is better here again...

How about Dragon Claw with Chaos?

I wanna make pure martial arts Sin, who doesn't need DS. Any thoughts, guys?

ty

I played around with dragon claw and it's definitely improved vs pre-patch.

maybe with gg gear dragon talon builds don't need crowd control but my bartucs / gface / treachery geared kicker definitely did. especially when physical immunes were around.

dragon tail can stun groups, which is useful in many situations. undead dolls I can just kick the whole group and they usually don't even pull off a single attack on me.

both talon and tail are good in their own ways. talon has insane attack speed, lots of quick hits, and the damage isn't split between two resistances.

dragon tail is way more damage per hit (going by character screens mind you), has an AoE explosion that stuns groups, and doesn't lock you into as long of an animation so the character is a little more nimble IMO.

Both good, just different.

Definitely not as fast as a javazon or gg sorc with infinity, but it's a fun build that can solo any level with any immunities, so I'll trade some killing speed for versatility / uniqueness.

This post was edited by R77 on Jun 2 2022 05:04pm

Thx for the input!

I'm playing LoD as my PC is Mac, so D2R is not my option

Yes, I will trade some killing speed for FUN, and my 2nd Talon Asa is proc-sin:



Which do you recommend, Tail or Claw, if I want a fun play?

ty