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May 5 2022 01:25am
Quote (cantero @ May 5 2022 11:57am)
The general formula is
{(base damage) * (1 + on-weapon ed)) + max/min} * (1 + off-weapon ed + str/dex bonus + skill bonus + aura bonus)

Bows get 0 bonus damage for str and 1 for dex, so 200dex it's like 200enhanced damage.


Could you give an example of calculations?

Also, I forget to ask - there is a new runeword for bowazon - Mist.
Its not high-end runeword, because cham costs 2-3 ist runes right now. What do you think about it?

This post was edited by MotorshoW on May 5 2022 01:42am
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For Windforce, 90lvl zon, with Forti, Wartravs, 5x 10max gc's, 200% from GA:

( ((68 * (1+2.5)) + 281 +25 +50) * (1+3 + 3 + 2 + 1.5) = 594 * 10.5 = 6 237 max dmg from GA

68 = hydra bow base dmg
2.5 = 250% WF enh dmg
281 = WF max dmg @90lvl
25 = max dmg from WT
50 = max dmg from GC's

3 = 300% enh dmg from Forti
3 = 300% from dex
2 = 200% from GA
1.5 = 150 from merc Might

@Mist
Check here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl29uN2R2bA


Cham costs 250, Gul 170. Ist 150. So yeah, like you said it costs around 3 Ist's.
Think I don't like is a wide spectrum of what you can roll - 325-375%ed and 8-12 concentration aura.
Jah's for Faith are still expensive (2.3-2.4k) so all those bots have to work harder xd

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May 5 2022 02:12am
Quote (gratek @ May 5 2022 12:52pm)

@Mist
Check here:
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl29uN2R2bA[/URL]
^KimSulki84

Cham costs 250, Gul 170. Ist 150. So yeah, like you said it costs around 3 Ist's.
Think I don't like is a wide spectrum of what you can roll - 325-375%ed and 8-12 concentration aura.
Jah's for Faith are still expensive (2.3-2.4k) so all those bots have to work harder xd


So, its an extremely effective variant before you could get Faith :)
Giant Skull for knockback, nosferatu's coil for ias (because no more need in razortail), other items without changes.
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May 5 2022 02:21am
Quote (MotorshoW @ May 5 2022 10:12am)
So, its an extremely effective variant before you could get Faith :)
Giant Skull for knockback, nosferatu's coil for ias (because no more need in razortail), other items without changes.


With the same setup you can reach 8fpa on Windforce with much more higher dmg.
If we talking about budget build, I'd pick Mavina over GS. You already have 30ias and you can do anything you want with socket (Um, max dmg, 40ed, etc).
Also Andi can be better but right now can be too expensive.
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May 5 2022 02:41am
Quote (gratek @ May 5 2022 01:21pm)
With the same setup you can reach 8fpa on Windforce with much more higher dmg.
If we talking about budget build, I'd pick Mavina over GS. You already have 30ias and you can do anything you want with socket (Um, max dmg, 40ed, etc).
Also Andi can be better but right now can be too expensive.


Mavinas Diadem is too expensive right now.
And I dont think that there is a great difference between 8 and 9 fpa, because you could get another bonuses from items.
For example Mist already have penetration, and gives you +3bow and 3 all skills, so you could reassign some skillpoints, and get more AR/critical chance.
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May 5 2022 03:20am
Ahh ok, I thought it's cheap, probably I messed it with Najas.
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May 5 2022 04:06am
Quote (gratek @ May 5 2022 02:20pm)
Ahh ok, I thought it's cheap, probably I messed it with Najas.


Well, I saw some slots for pul +/-, so maybe highcost of mavinas diadem are gone :)

I made some calculations for WF vs Mist, but they are based purely on FPA (not skills) and items needed.

So. Windforce + shael = 40IAS on weapon. GMB Mist is 20 IAS bonus from shael in RW.

Windforce:
10 FPA: +20ias / Gloves(+20)
9 FPA: +50ias/ Gloves(+20) and Ammy(+20) and/or Head(+20-30)
8 FPA: +110ias/ Gloves(+20) and Ammy(+20) and Head(+20 and 15ias jevel or +30) and Treachery(+45)

Mist:
10 FPA: +40ias / Gloves(+20) and Ammy(+20) or Head(+20-30) // Or only Head(+30 + 15ias jevel)
9 FPA: +70 ias / Gloves(+20) and Ammy(+20) and Head(+20-30) and Belt(+10) // Or Gloves(+20) and Head(+30 + 15ias jevel) and Belt(+10) for playing with atmas scarab
8 FPA: unreachable without faith

But I cant calculate real profit from playing with Mist RW :)
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May 5 2022 05:38am
Mist in Mat bow and you gonna reach 7fpa with 125 gear ias
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May 5 2022 06:13am
Quote (gratek @ May 5 2022 04:38pm)
Mist in Mat bow and you gonna reach 7fpa with 125 gear ias


Is it necessary?
I mean, loosing one good param to get another.
7fpa vs 9 fpa = +29% clear dmg
7fpa vs 8 fpa = +14% clear dmg
8 fpa vs 9 fpa = +13% clear dmg

I think that 9fpa is an optimal variant for low gear, because you could accept another options with better damage output.
For example Atmas scarab with strafe works great, and procs pretty often. Only this ammy would give you more than 15% dmg, and much more on elites and bosses.

IAS table:
13 fpa = 1.92 attacks per second (aps)
12 fpa = 2.08 aps
11 fpa = 2.27 aps
10 fpa = 2.5 aps
9 fpa = 2.77 aps
8 fpa = 3.12 aps
7 fpa = 3.57 aps
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May 5 2022 07:12am
Quote (MotorshoW @ May 5 2022 02:13pm)

7fpa vs 9 fpa = +29% clear dmg


Hmm so it's really close.
GMB base has 43avg dmg vs 33.5 in Mat
It means GMB has 28.4% higher avg dmg. However GMB gives you more flexibility (70 vs 125 gear ias).
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