Quote (Gwala @ Nov 7 2021 02:59pm)

the decrep is for the DREAMER only, to make it fair, since I am using the infinity from the Triune merc so the Dreamer has option of using Reaper's Toll.

Learn to read.



Trade offs both ways. The utility is definitely higher in terms of holy freeze, aoe damage, and not worrying about immune mobs.

IMO pure phys zeal, native tesladin, native freezer, and triune are all better than a standard dreamer, mainly because lvl 30 holy shock is just kind of weak to base half ur damage around and limits you while costing 2 slots.



glad u like it :D well a build with 2 jahs, 2 bers and a Lo should feel pretty good lol I would hope.

Quote (der_feine_herrr @ Nov 8 2021 06:02am)

100 life / 4os armor is better against high res targets than Ormus.

Also a nice defensive boost with a lot more life.
I would only go with ormus if you go tri aura with holy fire.

Quote (Hyperdimension @ Nov 8 2021 05:29am)

Well it's hard not to be confused since standard dreamer build doesn't use the build you showed as an example, so I thought you were still talking about your build. The only synergy with the holy freeze build is your ormus, which using it slow down your clear speed by so much that it's not worth. In your diablo comparison you should say that the tradeoff is taking 5 more minutes to get to diablo compared to standard dreamer. If you use enigma on your build, then the holy freeze is just a bad aura

Quote (zavod4anin @ Nov 8 2021 08:08am)

what about FHR ?
why dont show us andanced stars, like FHR, CB,ll, bla bla bla

Quote (WiseWolf @ Nov 8 2021 03:56pm)

the build you posted is called an auradin so its been done and nothing new

diablo uses frames not "dps" so you clearly have no idea what your talking about

Quote (Gwala @ Nov 8 2021 05:17pm)

well, dreams generally take care of plenty of fhr for pvm, CB is just from gores. fairly straightforward.



show me a dream build before mine pushing holy freeze without doom or something stupid, thanks.

frames take place in specific #s of seconds, it's two ways of saying the same thing, and it's generally easier understand when you compare DPS than trying to talk about damage per frame. seems like a pretty stupid thing to complain about.

Quote (WiseWolf @ Nov 8 2021 04:49pm)

this is very common https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=13524163&f=87 pretty much all auradins use this or mixes of this type of setup or mixes of light cold fire or single variations
dreams / dragon / hoj / doom same with melee sorcs

what you have is just run of the mill auradin you did not invent anything these builds are as old as the game itself...


the fact is the build is a toy build because it sucks, if you want to mf go make a light sorc or hdin if you want pk use a ww barb or smiter or windy or bone nec just not elemental based damage

people have made all light / all fire / all cold and mixes of both to make you vomit
cold /light
cold / fire
fire / light
ect ect try and remake then rebrand the wheel

no one has every attempted to almost "copyright" it because only noobs make such builds and think its the shit, they suck pvm and pvp

the fact is the build is a toy build because it sucks, if you want to mf go make a light sorc or hdin
you need to go read up at the amazonbasin they have accurate info
d2 runs at 25 fps and its calculated in frames not dps, the only reason it was mentioned because you got it wrong and were injecting ignorance into the d2 community by using non d2 terms to in a sense perpetuate further ignorance because we have A LOT of new people playing again. people dont look stuff up they just mindlessly copy paste misinformation.



"it's two ways of saying the same thing, and it's generally easier understand when you compare DPS than trying to talk about damage per frame"
no thats an over generalization
games that actually use dps have damage listed in dps d2 is not one of them
read: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/diablo-2-breakpoints-by-class-fcr-ias XD

in d2 it uses frames and how damage is calculated is more complicated

take a light sorc for example, you have zero fcr and example 1- 50k damage, you cast and its slow, faster your fcr same damage but faster 117 fcr or 200 with same listed damage you will produce more damage on the target because you cast more often. then you also have to factor in neg light res / effects of conviction / monster or player res / absorb ect ect its not cut and dry like dps in other games

most people learn about d2 frames when using a ww barb when trying to get the most damage and learning about weapon speed :)

hope this helps :)

Quote (Gwala @ Nov 8 2021 05:59pm)

build u linked does not use holy freeze at all???????????? only thing it has in common is paladin with dreams. really don't understand what point you're trying to make. obv this isn't the first dreamer or auradin variant.
25 frames = 1 second, in terms of d2 game engine they're the exact same thing, talking about DPS is perfectly valid in this context and more intuitively understandable when trying to quickly compare the damage output of 2 builds.