Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2021 06:23pm)

Try getting a clue... why waste ANY time creating a game with a mule when the person (people) you are rushing can just make the game? It is NOT rocket science... you can only play one character to help out 7 other players in a full rush group... or are you just thinking about 1 character being rushed???????

Quote (xhul @ Jun 4 2021 04:33am)

Because creating the game with the mule allows to skip far oasis and maggot's lair entirely.
That's the whole point of that method.
Do you really believe i would have posted a guide for a regular rush in 2021?

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2021 06:42pm)

I believe that you are rushing lazy people with this simplistic and inconsequential guide (not a guide) thread. When you rush, you should have them follow behind and get Experience ... Norm 24 / Nightmare 44 / Hell 64 ... well, at least level 25, then Hell Chaos runs to 65 then Baal etc.

Depends on how the patch works now compared to 1.13d.

Quote (xhul @ Jun 4 2021 04:50am)

Some people like to get some xp during rushes, some people don't.
There isn't only 1 type of D2 player, otherwise the game would be boring.

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2021 06:55pm)

WHY do you have an Act 2 Mule to rush them when they can just follow you???

Quote (izParagonzi @ Jun 3 2021 06:55pm)

What is your point? To waste more time because they don't follow your RULES in YOUR quest to RUSH THEM????????

FFS.

Quote (xhul @ Jun 3 2021 08:31am)

ACT 2 QUICK RUSH GUIDE

You'll need a second character to rush the mule.

The mule creates a new game, the rusher joins.
The mule completes its act 1, and travels to act 2.
The mule retrieves the cube.
The mule retrieves the staff.
The mule breaks the altar and retrieves the amulet.
The mule transmutes the staff and the amulet.
The mule talks to drognan.
The mule stays in town, while the rusher kills the summoner.
The mule clicks on the journal, and enters the canyon.
The rusher escorts the mule (on foot) from the canyon to the orifice.
The mule opens duriel's chamber.

That's it, the mule is ready, and will allow quick rushes for that difficulty.
The escort part sounds boring, i know, but remember that's a long term investment.
If you want to be able to quick rush all 3 difficulties, you'll obviously need to build 3 separate mules.

USING A DURIEL MULE TO QUICK RUSH

The rushed creates a new game, the rusher joins.
The rushed completes its act 1, and travels to act 2.
The rushed breaks the altar (no need the amulet).
The rushed talks to cain.
The mule creates a new game for that difficulty, the rushed joins, the mule leaves, the rusher joins.
The rusher kills the summoner, while the rushed is near enough, as usual.
The rushed talks to cain.
The rushed stays in town, while the rusher kills duriel.
The rushed talks to tyrael, jerhyn, meshif, and travels to act 3.

NOTES

Due to how the method works, the rushed won't have the symbol of the true tomb on his quest 6 log, don't bother asking him.
However, the duriel mule should, if you built it correctly (be sure to check the log in act 2, it's bugged in act 1).
Of course, you can always use the arcane trick to identify the tomb instead.

ALTERNATE DURIEL MULES

There's a way to build different types of mules, that allow the rushed to join the second game right after act 1 is completed.
But they take longer to build and the rush effectiveness is similar, so i won't go into details to avoid any confusion.

Quote (addone @ Jun 3 2021 09:55pm)

Switching between accounts agreeing on different game names all these steps where a rushee would be able to finish maggots and be done with. Also no need to set up any long winded mules.

But thanks for an insightful different way of doing what has been optimised the fastest method

Quote (xhul @ Jun 4 2021 08:08am)

Thanks for the feedback.
You don't necessarily have to have the mules on a separate account.
Also, i'm confident creating a new game is faster than doing oasis+maggot, even if you're lucky with the layout.
And about the game name, i believe typing "join blarushbla/pw" doesn't take ages.
Cheers.

Quote (xhul @ Jun 3 2021 03:08pm)

Thanks for the feedback.
You don't necessarily have to have the mules on a separate account.
Also, i'm confident creating a new game is faster than doing oasis+maggot, even if you're lucky with the layout.
And about the game name, i believe typing "join blarushbla/pw" doesn't take ages.
Cheers.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 4 2021 08:29am)

well, with maphack, oasis + maggot generally takes less time than it takes for leechers to all travel through A1's tp and warriv, but OTOH its a quest only a one bitch has to complete for the team so even if some stragglers are still in A1 it doesn't matter
one of the things optimizing for rushing is that you can do some areas in advance while slowpokes are still moving between acts
namely, you teleport maggot staff while people walk andy->warriv->A2->portals, and you clear chaos and spawn diablo when people walk duriel->tyrael->town->(long walk or harem tp)->jerhyn->(long walk or harem tp)->warriv->A3->portals
and most importantly prespawning players ~2 travincal in hell before the other 6 join the game before starting andy

getting 7 rands to join a new game is always a big failure point and also means you can't easily do a headcount or communicate in-game with people to see why they're afk. Maybe the D2r interface will make that easier to chat if they're still in your channel