Quote (Taurean @ Dec 28 2018 08:46am)

- That's bullshit, i've never berated anyone for giving short and concise answers. The problem is that "charsi food" is not a short and correct answer. It's just bullshit and i regard it as spam. I don't LEARN anything from it! Look at FreeUsername's post, now that is constructive! Do you see the difference? Why are you writing to me like this, do you not understand that i am only asking for more constructive answers instead of extremely short, redundant bullshit answers? There is no "pattern", this is just things you write to mock and bullshit with me, in worst case, in the best case, you are just trying to superimpose an attitude to me which i don't have.

I don't need a 3 page essay, but a little explanation would be nice.

And you must understand: I don't just do this for myself. I do this to life the community as a whole. How many times haven't i seen newbs ask how things work, because there are no guides around explaining how magic and rare items are priced? So getting updates with information like this is constructive not only to spread information, but to draw people to the forum. Hopefully good-hearted people.

If people think it is too much work to write a sentence or two about why things are useful or not, then i suggest going outside for some fresh air for an hour or two, splash some water in their face, maybe have some food and relax a little. When we can't be that bothered to help people, there's no wonder why people don't bother asking for help. "Charsi food", "crap", "worthless". Nobody learns -anything- from these shit answers.

Step 3 will result in ban and warning for early bumping topic. It has happened to me before.

Thank you for the constructive answer at the last part of your post. Just cut out the other bullshit and continue like that.

Quote (FreeUsername @ 28 Dec 2018 15:51)

Just remember that if someone posts with a blue portal as avatar its a good post, haha.

Btw, if you look up the old price guide topics, you can learn quite good what goes for something, and what doesnt.

Quote (Taurean @ 28 Dec 2018 16:46)

- That's bullshit, i've never berated anyone for giving short and concise answers. The problem is that "charsi food" is not a short and correct answer. It's just bullshit and i regard it as spam. I don't LEARN anything from it! Look at FreeUsername's post, now that is constructive! Do you see the difference? Why are you writing to me like this, do you not understand that i am only asking for more constructive answers instead of extremely short, redundant bullshit answers? There is no "pattern", this is just things you write to mock and bullshit with me, in worst case, in the best case, you are just trying to superimpose an attitude to me which i don't have.

I don't need a 3 page essay, but a little explanation would be nice.

And you must understand: I don't just do this for myself. I do this to life the community as a whole. How many times haven't i seen newbs ask how things work, because there are no guides around explaining how magic and rare items are priced? So getting updates with information like this is constructive not only to spread information, but to draw people to the forum. Hopefully good-hearted people.

If people think it is too much work to write a sentence or two about why things are useful or not, then i suggest going outside for some fresh air for an hour or two, splash some water in their face, maybe have some food and relax a little. When we can't be that bothered to help people, there's no wonder why people don't bother asking for help. "Charsi food", "crap", "worthless". Nobody learns -anything- from these shit answers.

Step 3 will result in ban and warning for early bumping topic. It has happened to me before.

Thank you for the constructive answer at the last part of your post. Just cut out the other bullshit and continue like that.

Quote (thesnipa @ 28 Dec 2018 15:53)

"charsi food" as an answer is objectively correct if it's an item that's worth 0 fg. a full explanation for someone who can't judge the value of items based off of rarity and use to a character is a MORE correct answer, but neither is incorrect.

yesterday you asked why a necro head and elite helm are the same thing, so forgive people if they dont realize how simple of information you need spoonfed to you in order to throw away an item that's worth zero fg. you're literally asking people to convince you the item is worthless, even though your knowledge base (illustrated by the demon head vs demonhead example) is clearly minimal.

most people assume that in 2018 all players have enough knowledge to accept simple answers for price checks, you're a rare person to require people write you an essay to convince you. and make no mistake, you require and essay. even after free username wrote an actual essay you STILL questioned him. just read it all above man, and try to use some self reflection.

also all of the "users with my quotes in their sig" and all of your "CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM ONLY" tags on all of your posts is just troll bait. you do yourself a disservice by putting that energy out there. for example, i've been entirely polite and you still call all of my posts bullshit. you're the one who doesn't know game basics, and clearly can't read by the demonhead example. then u have the balls to question pcs for items you think are worth what? 1-5 fg at best? i mean, what did you hope that shitty magic helm would get you? 50 fg?

Quote (Hell_of_Dammed @ 28 Dec 2018 15:56)

Do you know what price check means?
It means: how much is it worth. 20ppl answer you "charsi food"
You want to discuss "why is it worth nothing", but thats not a pricecheck then.

So dont blame people for not answering unasked questions. Specify your question and you will get answers.

Unbelievable how much you cry because ppl actually just answered your pricecheck.

Quote (Taurean @ Dec 28 2018 08:56am)

1) Bullshit. People can write an explanation, it is one, two sentences, no big hassle.

2) I wrote in that thread i read wrong, admitting to my mistake. Did you not notice this?

3) I'm a rare person? I find that people appreciate when i give in-depth price check answers, and i think this is something that lacks in the forum. So yes, i am a rare person, in that i wish others the best possible quality. Not the worst.

4) You should never berate people for asking for common sense. When trolls break the rules, should they not be banned? Should good-hearted people get banned for asking for common sense? What would the world come to then? Your logic is faulty.

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 27 2018 03:39pm)

poi nova > bone for my play style

nova + CE means u can solo CS pretty easily. slow but not difficult

Helm: tarn
Amu: 2 nec adds
Rings: 2x sojs
Shield: Sigon's or Rare bone or w/e
Belt: rare, life, fhr, tri res, w/e
Gloves: mage fists or bfists depending on bp you're near
Wep: 5 poi nova if u can get it, fcr isn't all that important depending on your other gear
Boots: could rock something like tearhaunch with sigons shield, otherwise rares
Armor: rare or my preference is hawkmail (frw/cbf/etc)

basically in runs you're just a meatshield and curse provider as well as corpse exploder depending on group

more sorcs = run lower resist, then amp and CE away

barbs + pallys will hate over using CE. they want to redemption or hork them.

more barbs = run amp, ce selectively, avoid ce on bosses bodies.

more pallys = decrep, they shred everything with ease

max poi dagger
max poi explode
max poi nova

1 pt all the way down to Fire golem, 1 pt all the way down to revive (unless one or both u can get from wand), get a decent radius of CE, then rest into lower resist as u lvl, i put 1 pt to all curses just for fun. 1 down to bone prison for pvp usage.

currently #2 nec on ladder, can solo CS. currently wearing all green gear for the sex factor. Gravespine, hawkmail, and random green tower shield. tarn helm because fuck wormskull gimme the MF.

when solo'ing u basically just run river until u can get a 5-8 pack of Urdurs. they will clear out all the annoying psn immunes in the river on the way to CS, those fucking magots and corpse spiters. urdurs kill 1 and CE does the rest.

then once those run out in CS u just grab venom lords. they're plenty tanky enough. fire golem tanks ventnar with ease. sies is pretty easy, just IM the knights if you're scared then finish with 1-2 poi novas. Seis himself can take a stupid amount of time to die. last pack is a joke. diablo himself takes some time but dies surprisingly quickly.

also poi explosion can be an ok skill to use in certain situations. like the trash in CS before the first boss. in choke points hit on poi explode then lower resist and all who get poi'd die while u run to first seal.

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 27 2018 02:38pm)

its actually charsi for LLD. no one uses Gothic shields. they're medium weight and cause FRW malus.

these kinds of shields are mainly used by zons and barbs

zons dont use 60 str and barbs can't use a shield with -FRW

Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 27 2018 12:25pm)

im not sure what either of those two is smoking but it's a passable bow jewel for a zon, and zons are fairly popular on ladder i think. it can't be used in an up'd rogue bow but could be used in a robo just fine.

nothing spectacular but not charsi imo. maybe 15-25 fg to the right guy. it's basically a 27edmg/9max/9cold res jewel

Quote (Hell_of_Dammed @ Dec 28 2018 09:01am)

Thats 2 different things.
How much is it worth? (=pricecheck)
Why is it worth that amount? (Not a pricecheck)

Do you see the difference?

Quote (Taurean @ 28 Dec 2018 16:57)

I'm not crying, i'm asking for common sense.

So you don't feel it is legitimate asking for why an item is worth what it's worth, in a price check thread? ........ that is weird logic by not only mine, but probably everybody else's minds too.

Quote (thesnipa @ 28 Dec 2018 16:01)

i give concise specific price checks and advice all the time, such as these examples from yesterday.

that doesnt mean that "charsi food" is an incorrect answer. it's not the most correct answer, but both an essay and "charsi food" tell you to throw away the item because it's worth zero fg, one includes WHY it's worth zero fg. price check = a "what" answer, with "why" being optional if they have time. you dont have the right to tell people what they have time for. dont be silly.



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Quote (Hell_of_Dammed @ 28 Dec 2018 16:01)

Thats 2 different things.
How much is it worth? (=pricecheck)
Why is it worth that amount? (Not a pricecheck)

Do you see the difference?

Quote (Taurean @ 28 Dec 2018 16:53)

Yeah ^^ I was tired, just woke up and was a bit too fast.

Maybe i'll do that. They can be useful, but of course do not reflect the up-to-date prices.