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Aug 4 2018 03:36pm
I have Chains of Honor on my Sorc. I use it for the resistances and the +2 skills.
I play hardcore single player, entirely self found. Dol Um Ber Ist is an easier combination than Jah Ith Ber. so I built the first armor of the 2 I was able to.
She still wears it.
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Aug 4 2018 04:11pm
this topic caused a lot of Resistance
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Aug 4 2018 05:28pm
Just wanted to clarify: I probably should have said "Chains of Honor is never BiS on your main character - I actually use it on an auramerc for Hell Trav and I've got no problems with that application - or for UT either. Just not on your main.)

Second Point: This isn't a post about affordability etc. This is strictly about how good an item is with no budget considerations whatsoever - directed at people who keep posting on this forum that Chains of Honor > Enigma. It isn't. That is just a fact.


This post was edited by draftw3dr on Aug 4 2018 05:31pm
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Aug 4 2018 05:39pm
Ye, with that probably you are right.
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Aug 4 2018 05:45pm
Quote (draftw3dr @ Aug 4 2018 07:28pm)
Just wanted to clarify: I probably should have said "Chains of Honor is never BiS on your main character - I actually use it on an auramerc for Hell Trav and I've got no problems with that application - or for UT either. Just not on your main.)

Second Point: This isn't a post about affordability etc. This is strictly about how good an item is with no budget considerations whatsoever - directed at people who keep posting on this forum that Chains of Honor > Enigma. It isn't. That is just a fact.


"no budget considerations" is a situation that comprises only a small slice of Diablo2 as a game.

so the tl;dr of your topic is: If you exclude the situations where CoH is useful, then it isn't very useful

This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 4 2018 05:50pm
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Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 5 2018 10:45am)
"no budget considerations" is a situation that comprises only a small slice of Diablo2 as a game.

so the tl;dr of your topic is: If you exclude the situations where CoH is useful, then it isn't very useful


Fine - I'll address your budgetary concerns. When you're building a caster on a budget at the beginning of ladder, the cost of a Ber rune used in CoH is higher than Maras, Hoto (even Spirit Sword) or even 10x plain 4-5@Res SCs - the only people who can justifiably make a CoH are people who do not trade online at all and just happen to have nothing but a self-found Ber (Something that probably doesn't apply to anyone on this forum). If you can afford a CoH, then you can most likely afford an Enigma as well (perhaps after a little more mfing - and that would be time well spent) - and if you can't then I'm sorry that I've hurt your feelings. The point is, these "situations where CoH is useful" that you're referring to are generally bad builds made by inexperienced players who should never have gotten themselves stuck in that situation in the first place. And all the misinformation and bad advice I've seen in the Strategies and Guides section are partly to blame for that.

If you exclude the situations where CoH is useful (on your main character), you have excluded zero situations.
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Aug 4 2018 07:14pm
Nice! Please do your "Ode to Garbage" thread soon ^_^

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Eyyyyy ;) :thumbsup:
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Aug 4 2018 08:06pm
Coh owners seething
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Quote (eric1014153 @ Aug 4 2018 03:00pm)
You forget the cost. 65 resistances on a ber rune vs a set of 20/5s for 50 res. 20/5 set can cost upwards to 2000 fg where as CoH can easily be made with 15 fg for non ladder games. Not saying the first one is worse than CoH, but cost is usually factored into this. Imo, CoH is the item for sorceress mf builds who are just starting in the non ladder realms. If you're missing key ingredients, least this armor will fill several holes while you sell and trade for more. While enigma may be inherently better, the cost of building a sorc with a 20/5s, torch, anni, and whatnot may not be widely available. I use CoH in part cause I don't want to drop 3000 fg on a char who will occasionally do some chaos or Baal runs. CoH is cheap, offers basic needs, and is widely popular even in comparison to enigma. Makes it easy to sell and profit, even easier to buy.

The best argument I have with sorc and enigma is the massive str boost for spirit. But for the mf sorceress, those extra vitality points aren't too important if you can gear yourself properly and use the popular energy shield warmth skills. Then vitality is second to your build. Most people don't also want to drop 300 fg onto a mf sorc ladder when items rarely pay off more than 10 fg for decent ones like Shakos and other widely used gear.


stick an um into a vipermagi
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Aug 4 2018 10:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 4 2018 11:54pm)
stick an um into a vipermagi


Smoke also deserves a mention as well as being a great budget resist item that can fill many of CoH's roles at a more budget friendly price.
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