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Sep 23 2015 10:31pm
Quote (reyrol @ Sep 23 2015 01:29pm)
how many times have u reposted this xd

its nice build etc but not rly optimal O.o !

besT possible build is 2pala 20fcr 20dex 60life amulet and 10fcr 25str 15dex 20life 90mana ring + 25str 15dex 60life 90mana ring (for main setup)

http://i57.tinypic.com/15ebcww.jpg

Another thing that is wrong is that, yes you have to smite ur knee when you jump to keep a lock, but you gotta shiftsmite ur head when they jump you for aa smite ! shiftsmiting ur knee like u say fails often, if you dont believe it just try it ;)

when u jump u are north of oponent so u gotta click knee, when oponent jumps you he is north of you so u gotta click ur head. Else tell me why i was stomping you yesterday on dudu 24/7 and ur first 1-2 smites were mostly failing ;-----------)


Yeah, you get more hp with those rings/amu but I prefer flexibility! ^^
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Sep 24 2015 01:30am
Quote (reyrol @ Sep 23 2015 12:29pm)
how many times have u reposted this xd

its nice build etc but not rly optimal O.o !

besT possible build is 2pala 20fcr 20dex 60life amulet and 10fcr 25str 15dex 20life 90mana ring + 25str 15dex 60life 90mana ring (for main setup)

http://i57.tinypic.com/15ebcww.jpg

Another thing that is wrong is that, yes you have to smite ur knee when you jump to keep a lock, but you gotta shiftsmite ur head when they jump you for aa smite ! shiftsmiting ur knee like u say fails often, if you dont believe it just try it ;)

when u jump u are north of oponent so u gotta click knee, when oponent jumps you he is north of you so u gotta click ur head. Else tell me why i was stomping you yesterday on dudu 24/7 and ur first 1-2 smites were mostly failing ;-----------)


If u smite ur knee u hit Both the hacker palas who aa and those who bs Will be hit. Reason Why i failed yesterday is basicly because i have innactive the two last years, cant find my mouse so had use an other so i dont hit as much where i want :p

For those main setups u cant use wisp with oak or wisp + cr stack + raven for absing Blizz + assa and have Max block.
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Sep 24 2015 01:32am
Quote (IzenSosuke @ Sep 23 2015 01:26pm)
What rings u use as main set up for 75% fcr?


10fcr, 6str, 14dex, 58life, 30lr + wisp.
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Sep 24 2015 04:28am
Quote (gel87 @ 24 Sep 2015 08:30)
If u smite ur knee u hit Both the hacker palas who aa and those who bs Will be hit. Reason Why i failed yesterday is basicly because i have innactive the two last years, cant find my mouse so had use an other so i dont hit as much where i want :p

For those main setups u cant use wisp with oak or wisp + cr stack + raven for absing Blizz + assa and have Max block.



Well... i change amulet to use raven + wisp ... :C this build has more life... 99.9% of the time
Believe me or not shifsmiting ur head = 100% autosmite druids with 6pets
Knee shiftsmiting fails. Maybe not vs pala + oak. But already fails often vs nec + golem + oak.
But what do i know :---P

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Sep 24 2015 05:08am
Quote (gel87 @ Sep 24 2015 08:32pm)
10fcr, 6str, 14dex, 58life, 30lr + wisp.


Oh..

I am thinking of using

spirit + 2/20 amulet + trang glove = 75 fcr

idk what rings to use maybe rfrost + bk or rfrost + wisp any ideas?
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Sep 24 2015 05:38am
Weeell.. marvel's telesmiter guide from 6 years ago almost completely covers everything you wrote cept for some hybrids and misc equipment, it also mentions more tricks and ''more advanced'' tactics than you came up with.

Your gear choices are kind of ok (you didnt include 125 fcr eq which is kind of what makes smite vs nec a better matchup than ever before, plus 75 fcr Lo+wisp cbf setup is possible with exile making it a much better build for 90% of the duels than the builds with spirit shield assuming LT is gm, and considering how easily you can get hybrid rws nowadays)

Let's see the kinda lashed-together tactics section.

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1. Always protect ur own ass from enemy jumps, u can just smite ur own knee and people who jump u will be smited. Remember that charge can make u selfsync and people can jump u without u reaching them with smite.
2. Charge out of stuns, or smite urself depending on situation. U can smite in leap or mindblast stun. Just dont walk meanwhile if hammers etc wanna jump u.
3. Lock people with smite, throwlock for chain them, or foh then jump. Place mouse pointer on urself(knees) after jump to re-namelock.
4. Timing is important, u can almsot always do a successfull jump on a hammerdin, if u got 75fcr and time it correctly. Jump right after he tele and ur oak will block his first hammer, and ur smite stun and dmg after. Leave and do new jump if ur not able to finnish him at jump, something u rarely are after first jump without stucked enemy or amp. Time the same way vs people with summons to avoid hitting theyre summons, jump right after theyre tele, be aware that if he is close to obstacles u may hit summons instead, but u can also be lucky to trap enemy in smitebash then.
5. Use the the envoirement, bushes, walls, swamps, rocks or whatever to get enemy stucked in ur smite. Never protect urself vs hammers to close to a obstacle, if ur not able to knockback him away from u he will hit u.
6. When people are stunned from smite(got swirl over head) then foh them and jump right after and theyre stunned, u can counter desync walk and enemies general fleeing/attacks this way. To do this quick enought u must fast throwlock after foh, if ur to slow or to fast it will fail and u will get an delay after foh. This timing depends a lot on fcr, 75fcr is harder to do this than 48 and 125fcr.
7. Use zeal in combination with exile vs dudus if ur low lifed. Can be good in other situations also.
8. If a hammer defwhore, foh him until he need to jump u, if he is defensive with tele instead of desync charge then jump him.
9. After 2-3 smites enemies will often be out of ur range, then u can either charge them, foh stun them, flee and w8 for better attempt or rejump, or telebelow and zeal. Depending on situation.
10. In tvt, its usually a good idea to take out baba meanwhile he leaps, make a charge to get rid of some stun, tele and smite him in his leap, if he is amped he usually go down on first try
11. Be carefull at jumping people espesially hammers in multi/traps etc wich will remove ur oak and make u take a lot of dmg instead.


Shift smiting and foh-tele-smiting are basically the only two techniques you have mentioned, also sup with the ''vs Hammerdin'' description for the entire tactics chapter.
You forgot c/ting, skillbugging, double-tele chaining, charge-out reteles, prediction smiting (jumping in the path of synching or southrunning chars), team-nl, and several other techniques being common today.
You should also have recorded 1v1 duels against various chars and team duels with different team setups to show the gameplay. I dont really want to focus on your spelling but, quite some mistakes aswell.

no offense, its just constructive criticism
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Sep 24 2015 11:47am
Quote (LuckHelps @ Sep 24 2015 11:38am)
Weeell.. marvel's telesmiter guide from 6 years ago almost completely covers everything you wrote cept for some hybrids and misc equipment, it also mentions more tricks and ''more advanced'' tactics than you came up with.

Your gear choices are kind of ok (you didnt include 125 fcr eq which is kind of what makes smite vs nec a better matchup than ever before, plus 75 fcr Lo+wisp cbf setup is possible with exile making it a much better build for 90% of the duels than the builds with spirit shield assuming LT is gm, and considering how easily you can get hybrid rws nowadays)

Let's see the kinda lashed-together tactics section.



Shift smiting and foh-tele-smiting are basically the only two techniques you have mentioned, also sup with the ''vs Hammerdin'' description for the entire tactics chapter.
You forgot c/ting, skillbugging, double-tele chaining, charge-out reteles, prediction smiting (jumping in the path of synching or southrunning chars), team-nl, and several other techniques being common today.
You should also have recorded 1v1 duels against various chars and team duels with different team setups to show the gameplay. I dont really want to focus on your spelling but, quite some mistakes aswell.

no offense, its just constructive criticism


I dont have place for a 125fcr eq and i dont need it, i have tested it and 75fcr works better for me. So i dont bother have str ring in stash for it, or arach.

75fcr exile is There already griffon + trangs but i dont like its fhr. Valk + shadows are nice for that but i dont use that, no space in stash.

About the tactics, i dident bother writing more, all u mentioned There is the same for every char, and timing » predictions. U cant predict a good desyncer properly with smite, so i mentioned it with zeal. Reason is u Will not be in range for smite before he is gone.
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Sep 25 2015 09:14am
Quote (gel87 @ Sep 24 2015 05:47pm)
I dont have place for a 125fcr eq and i dont need it, i have tested it and 75fcr works better for me. So i dont bother have str ring in stash for it, or arach.

75fcr exile is There already griffon + trangs but i dont like its fhr. Valk + shadows are nice for that but i dont use that, no space in stash.

About the tactics, i dident bother writing more, all u mentioned There is the same for every char, and timing » predictions. U cant predict a good desyncer properly with smite, so i mentioned it with zeal. Reason is u Will not be in range for smite before he is gone.


I dont see how ''- Gaze Cham (optional, this helm is just to look more like an noob and still rape ;d)'' is more important to have in stash than arach and an extra ring/amulet.
If you dont bother writing the most important and uptodate tactics why did you write a guide in the first place? Considering the gear choices didnt change since 6 years or more.
''U cant predict a good desyncer properly with smite'' - I dont agree with this.
Also whats up with recording duels on your char to make a guide somewhat exciting and to demonstrate all the theorycraft?
Looks like you just threw everything together in less than 5 minutes.
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Sep 26 2015 09:20am
Quote (LuckHelps @ Sep 25 2015 03:14pm)
I dont see how ''- Gaze Cham (optional, this helm is just to look more like an noob and still rape ;d)'' is more important to have in stash than arach and an extra ring/amulet.
If you dont bother writing the most important and uptodate tactics why did you write a guide in the first place? Considering the gear choices didnt change since 6 years or more.
''U cant predict a good desyncer properly with smite'' - I dont agree with this.
Also whats up with recording duels on your char to make a guide somewhat exciting and to demonstrate all the theorycraft?
Looks like you just threw everything together in less than 5 minutes.


I dont even have the gaze atm ;d No space for that either ;d Beside with those rings u havent statted enought dex, and need a spare str ammu to wear eq ;d and then u wont have have max block.
And yes, i was bored so made a guide xD

Because, lets say u tele in front of an ama wsging, then u see here right at u, u smite and hes already gone and u wont hit even thought u see him next to u. If u instead zeal, u dont even need to see him at u. U zeal that area, not the char. But he will be there. THen he get fhr'd dodgestuck etc and stop for a short enought moment that u can smite him. When he get away u foh him meanwhile swirl and jump again.
There is another guide almost like this, which i saw after, but he doesent know that u need to throwlock after foh to jump fast enought.
And does every kind of guide let u know that u can C/T tele? xD

And yes, took me 10 minuts, made it while bored.

This post was edited by gel87 on Sep 26 2015 09:21am
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