so i just ended up making my faith in a hydra bow, how much ias do i need to hit 7fps? its a lvl 12 fanat aura

99

i prefer a shadow bow myself. I wouldn't use a hydra bow though. basically go either cheaper cookie gmb build, or diamond/shadow.

Apparently my post was missed, but Faith GMB + 160/60 is still more DPS than Faith Shadow/Diamond + Fort. That's with every other stat remaining the same.

In this case, the versatility claim is invalid since Faith GMB + 160/60 is more versatile than Faith Shadow/Diamond + Fort.

This post was edited by Legolas-III on Apr 1 2012 01:14pm

^ you are talking about 160ed / 60ias armor right ? how can every other stats remain the same when fort gives you 300ed, 100+ life, life rep, +5% max lr, +25@ res compared to 160ed / 60ias ?

I've adjusted the charms in order to maintain equal life/res. But yes, the max LR is something to be considered.

Ok first of all, vita builds are required in pvp
So any discussion about adding dex is irrelevant and defeats the purpose of a pvp Amazon build entirely
Don't believe me? Go ahead and sign yourself into a world ladder, see how far you get with the glass build
Anyone who pvps understands this, there are many reasons for it
The amplification of Battle Orders makes the vita worth alot more than it would seem
Amazon Dodges/Avoids also make high life go alot further than it would seem
An Amazon with 3000 life tanks like a barb with 8000 life
And adding to dexterity simply does not add much damage
All Amazons have nearly 200-250 dex anyway for maxblock
The slight damage increase from a glass build (with any bow) is not worth the massive decrease in your character's durability

We can go in-game with your glass build and do a shot for shot test vs my vita build
I gurantee you, that I will tank 4 direct actual hits before dying but your glass build will die in 2 GA's from my vita build using diamond bow, if not 1



And your testing results are showing that Diamond vs GMB for damage per second is virtually the exact same with extremely little variation
The Diamond at 65% is more versatile
Than GMB at 95%


Your comment about GMB + 60/160 being more versatile than Diamond/Fortitude shows me that there is A LOT about Amazons in GM pvp that you are not quite understanding

This post was edited by Habakkuk22 on Apr 1 2012 04:46pm

math > you

My intent was not to argue the viability of having more dexterity. For your purposes, ignoring that point is fine.

I'd need elaboration on your last point. It appears to me that every gear switch mentioned in your guide can be accomplished by an amazon with 160/60 + Faith GMB without issue.

300% ED > 160% ED, not sure what you're not understanding about this

A Diamond setup with Fortitude deals more damage than a GMB setup with 60/160


15% Superior Diamond Bow has: 37 to 46 damage (avg 41.5)
Amplified by 300% ED = 148 to 184 (avg 171)

15% Superior Grand Matron has: 15 to 82 damage (avg 48.5)
Amplified by 160% ED = 39 to 213 (avg 126)

Look at the (average damage outputs) not the maximum damage



Diamond setup with Fortitude is superior in every way, it gives:

* More damage with Bow
* More damage on Jav-Side (which is important seeing as how it is used 50% of the time you are dueling)
* Much more defense from the use of Fortitude (which is important vs Ghosts, Barbarians, Other Amazons)
* Much more defense from the Chilling Armor Proc (which also fires back and frame locks other players, automatically)
* Much more + resistance (which is very important seeing as how Amazons struggle with this)
* +5% to maximum lightning resistance (this is critically important as a mod off Fortitude for GM and BM survival)
* +7 Life Replenish (this is very important in more competative pvp)
* Easily +140 or higher life bonus from Fortitude at higher levels
* Maximum DR% due to use of dungo's
* Much more life bonus due to the use of dungo's
* +13 life rep due to the use of dungo's (this is very important in more competative pvp)
* Allows the use of Rare Diadems (which plain and simply offer much more life value and resistance, than a 45/120)



I'll say it again and if you cannot understand this, I don't know what else to tell you ^^
Other than to go test both setups yourself

Grand Matron Faith's 92% ias req is too needy and too demanding on the build
It cripples your ability to focus on other aspects of the build which are much more important than a slight increase in damage

thereeee, fixed!