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Jan 11 2007 11:26am
Quote (Trae8 @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 09:43am)
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Death's Web - this can be used only vs. noobs and chars that are generally weak, the increased amount of poison damage you will deal does not make up for the sacrifice in FCR


I don't agree with this. D web was made for poison necs. If you have a hybrid like yours, ya maybe you have more options with other possible weapons and might choose another, but even on a hybrid D web with a good set up is really nice.

Also, you mention 4 weapons, but there is no mention of a white wand. You know, you "can" get a white wand that looks like this:

White
20% Fcr
3 PnB Skills
2 Bone spear
2 Bone spirit
4 skelly mastery
+ 3 Poison Nova (making it 6 total)
+ 1 Lower resist
+ 1 whatever...

You gotta admit, it's pretty damn sexy if you find one with 3 poison nova and 1 lower resist. Saves you a bunch of points, and gives you 6 nova. Definitely worth mentioning as a possible weapon.


Overall a good guide, but I just feel sometimes your wording is going to leave you open to getting flamed by other people who may not agree with either the guide part, or the dueling part. You should probably leave out the noob calling etc and just write a nice clean guide. but not bad smile.gif


The problem with Death's Web is 0%FCR(yeah you'd never think they would design a caster weapon without FCR but they did). If it had 20% FCR it would at least be viable. You could use it in PvM, but in PvM all you need is Amplify Damage, Skeletons and corpse explosion. To get 125% FCR with DW would require - 20 gloves, 20 rings, 20 belt, 35 spirit, 20 circlet and 10+ amulet. I think that is too much gear investment and you loose 2 skills to skeletons, if you use hoto then 3.

White could be a viable option as you could get to the 125fcr bp with: white 20, gloves 20, belt 20, spirit 35, circlet 20 and 1 ring. I guess you could use some white setup against melee opponents as the 75(90) resist from Wizzardspike and a HUGE boost in mana is just something not worth giving up against casters.

I know I'm being quite aggresive in some dueling points but some opponents are just autowin, it's like you would duell a bow ama without enigma with a bone nec and use bone prison. They just CAN'T win.
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Jan 11 2007 11:28am
death web can not be combined with 125 fcr setup?

lol


psn necro blows w/o dw whoever he will be dueling
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Jan 11 2007 11:29am
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Good guide and a pretty interesting and unique character. Probably alot of fun to play with too.

What's the stats (life/mana/damage/block/etc) of yours?


My first one had over 3.2k life (don't recall correctlly but I have 7 x 4x skillers 1 fhr skiller and 1 plain smile.gif ) and 10 x 20 life scs with adds so I think it might even be more

The last one was made to be block but I still have not used over 300 stat points and dueled with him ever since - I still didn't loose many duels with 1.5k life total smile.gif


What does the most of your dmg? Skellies or psn nova? And are skellies actually capable of doing decent dmg?


Poison Nova is the most effective killing method. You can kill mf sorcs with just namelock teleporting on them while they have Amp.Dmg on their heads. Skells do decent damage but you won't kill a barb with 7k life 75% block and 50%DR with skeles alone, he will plow through them before they would do any real harm.


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i got good ideas lol

I would make it if my fg was higher T_T


Im thinkin of a few ideas for this myself right now rofl. I'm thinkin of a wiz/sanct setup for casters and a +3 nova white/homo setup vs melees.

Would 125% fcr be necessary for melees or could you focus on block/dmg with a frame lower cast?



I think 125fcr is a nice bp to aim for at any duel. But I dont think 125 is needed for vs melee. Id go for fhr smile.gif


Depending on what melee opponent. A barb can easily acquire the same frame rate as you. I would never go for less than 125fcr with any necro build. I'm not saying it's immposible to kill someone with 75 fcr, but it's much easier with 125 you are much more mobile and active. 86% FHR is the final bp you can acquire on europe without giving up A LOT of gear. On US it's easier with 30 fhr from .08 Valk and the 30% FCR it adds.


Even if barbs could catch you, could't you just im them and laugh while they kill themselves on your skellies?


I find IM very bad mannered. I'm not quite sure if it actually works with skeletons, probably does but I have not tried it out yet. Just remember, if you go BM, they can too. And life tap on your skeles is just as bad as Iron Maiden is on him so it's no real use to cast IM if he can cast Life Tap and the duel is again evened out.
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Jan 11 2007 11:32am
Quote (Cher @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 12:28pm)
death web can not be combined with 125 fcr setup?

lol


psn necro blows w/o dw whoever he will be dueling


Most people have psn res stacked anyway. Please tell me the use of -50 psn res when its stacked anyway? Will be doing same dmg.
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Jan 11 2007 11:33am
barly anyone stacks posion

all the others are stacked
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Jan 11 2007 11:33am
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death web can not be combined with 125 fcr setup?

lol


psn necro blows w/o dw whoever he will be dueling


Most people have psn res stacked anyway. Please tell me the use of -50 psn res when its stacked anyway? Will be doing same dmg.


my psn necro can kill psn stacked 4 k hp hammers on norm difficulty w/o skellies

ever tried making psn necro on open to test?

make one with hoto/white and one with dw and see the results
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Jan 11 2007 11:33am
Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 12:33pm)
barly anyone stacks posion

all the others are stacked


If they are using treks, they are stacked psn.
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Jan 11 2007 11:34am
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Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 12:33pm)
barly anyone stacks posion

all the others are stacked


If they are using treks, they are stacked psn.


yeah but who uses that >.>
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Jan 11 2007 11:36am
Quote (Cher @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 05:28pm)
death web can not be combined with 125 fcr setup?

lol


psn necro blows w/o dw whoever he will be dueling


well I know for a fact you have made a bone nec in the past few weeks(you bought my 9 skillers smile.gif ) and I challange you to a duel if you like? smile.gif I will not use DW.

The problem with DW is that it's actually not THAT good. Just look at what it does:
+2 nec
+2 pb (useless for your skeletons)
-50% enemy poison resist (-55/+5 if you add a facet)

Hoto:
+3 skills
+mana
+40 resist

you only loose 1 pb skill, gain 1 summoning skill and get 40 resist

wizzy:
no skills
huger mana
huger resist
1 socket

Also it's a bit painfull as sandstorm trek adds a huge poison resistance, meaning almost everyone has it stacked so the -55 from DW isn't effective (also lower resist) against gosu equiped duellers, this is not like cold resistance where stacked resistance can almost negate blizz damage. It's the same for them if they have 75 or 255 resist.
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Jan 11 2007 11:36am
Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 12:34pm)
Quote (VickIsSick07 @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 05:33pm)
Quote (The_Chao_Master @ Thu, Jan 11 2007, 12:33pm)
barly anyone stacks posion

all the others are stacked


If they are using treks, they are stacked psn.


yeah but who uses that >.>


Most people. Especially casters. I don't know how most people build their chars, but I usually have stacked all res by far.....
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